Keith, you are 100% correct about this arrogant, anti democratic, elitist SOB...... --- so you support the USA being a democracy? ok
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 12:51:47 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: > > Keith, you are 100% correct about this arrogant, anti democratic, elitist > SOB......He is creative in his ability to reinvent history......reminds me > of the Soviets and their rewriting of history and we used to laugh at them > for doing so but now the lefties here are following in the Soviets foot > paths...... > > In a message dated 12/21/2015 6:37:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] <javascript:> writes: > > Geesh what a piss poor, revisionist sense of history, and yet there are > Americans that swallow this bullshit up hook, line and sinker. > > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:32 AM, MJ <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> >> Dec 11, 2015 >> >> *The Conservative Meltdown, Courtesy of Trump*By Jeffrey Tucker >> >> For 60 years, the conservative establishment has worked to overcome the >> biggest leftist lie of them all: that non-leftists are really Nazis in >> disguise. To wreck that view, conservatism reinvented itself after World >> War II. >> >> William Buckley, editor of National Review, led the way. He purged the >> hard racists, dedicated segregationists, the Falangists, the anti-semites, >> the crypto-Nazis, the theocrats and ecclesiocrats, and the wildly paranoid >> conspiracy mongers. >> >> Buckley was the one to do it too, because he was erudite and educated, >> with a subtle sense of things. It was a massive effort in social and >> political control, and it mostly worked. The culminating victory came with >> the election of Ronald Reagan. >> >> So sensitive was Buckley to the charge of Nazi sympathies that he lost >> his composure completely, on live television, when in 1968 Gore Vidal >> charged him with being a crypto-Nazi. It was enough to cause Buckley, again >> on live television, to threaten Vidal with a punch in the face. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_nq4tfi24&feature=youtu.be >> >> And Buckley never stopped the purges even through the 2000s. To be in the >> Buckley circle, you had to be housebroken. You had to avoid the fever >> swamps. >> >> Many of these purges were wholly justified, but there was also collateral >> damage. He also purged the libertarians and the Randians too, for different >> reasons. Libertarians weren’t on board with the Cold War, so that was >> enough for him. As for Rand, perhaps it was the atheism above all else, >> since by this time, a firm defense of religious faith had become essential >> to the package of this new thing called conservatism. >> >> If Buckley was so worried about the impression that the only alternative >> to leftism was Nazism, he might have cooled it a bit on suggesting nuclear >> war against the North Vietnamese and the Russians. If a distinguishing mark >> of Nazism is the use of mass violence to serve political ends, an >> ideological change would have been more effective than purges in countering >> the smears against the right. He might also have shown less affection for >> police-state tactics against antiwar protestors. After all, these smears >> from the left have the whiff of credibility for a reason. >> >> And now in 2015 enters Donald Trump. He is not a marginal candidate. His >> rise and persistent dominance of the Republican field has establishment >> conservatives panicked, simply because it’s proof that their ideology is >> not dominant among GOP voters. Every demographic analysis of his supporters >> shows that they do not get their news from magazines or the internet. These >> people (middle age, middle income, white) are TV watchers and mostly >> haven’t been to college. What the intelligentsia says doesn’t impact their >> lives at all. >> >> And yet their voices have a plurality in the Republican party. We haven’t >> heard from them that much in recent years because they’ve not had a >> standard bearer and the establishment has exercised such tight control. Now >> with Trump, we have the perfect storm: a person who is the caricature of >> the ugly American. He pushes patriotism to the point of nativism, energy in >> the executive to the point of fascism, police power as a solution without >> limits, and military strength to the point of outright worship of war as >> the only suitable means. >> >> The latent statism of the right reaches its apotheosis in Trump, and it >> is driving the conservative establishment crazy. He is the painting in the >> attic, and they want it to remain hidden. >> >> As for populism generally, both conservatives and libertarians have >> variously toyed with it in the past. Surely the people want liberty. Surely >> the only real problem is the ruling class and its power. If the people get >> their way, through an assertive wresting of control from the elites, the >> result would be a freer America. The real problem traces to the people >> controlling the party, not the voters as such. >> >> But look at what’s happening. The establishment is losing control, but >> the result is not a movement that favors freedom but something more like >> the right-wing version of the Red Guard. The Trump movement is unleashing >> unguided hate: it was Mexicans, then Syrians, then all Muslims, and now he >> can stand in front of audiences ridiculing free speech and elicit cheers >> from the frothing masses. >> >> H.L. Mencken is making much more sense to me today. This is a change for >> me. I’ve always appreciated Mencken’s love of freedom, his suspicion of the >> state, his appreciation for high culture, his disdain for the age-old >> superstitions. All that I could grasp and share. What I could not entirely >> share was his dread of the common man, and his absolute loathing of the >> political system that puts the hoi polloi in charge of choosing political >> leadership. He found the system preposterous. >> >> I’ve always understood the intellectual arguments against democracy and >> agreed more or less. But I could never muster Mencken’s passion concerning >> the topic. I’ve never fully understood his intense conviction that >> democracy is the single biggest threat to liberty. >> >> Trump has changed all that. Now I see it fully. The common man is gold as >> a consumer, worker, family member, church goer. As a voter and political >> influencer, the common man is a disaster waiting to happen. >> >> What effect does this have on conservative ideology? It makes the job of >> seeming intelligent and responsible ever more difficult. If I were a >> leftist, I would be laughing out loud at all these upheavals. Trump as the >> only alternative to Sanders/Hillary is not a world I want to inhabit. >> >> My prediction is this. Whether or not Trump snags the nomination, his >> dominance of the polls in 2015 has given the biggest boost the left has >> received in half a century. It also calls on conservatives to clean up >> their act: get more libertarian or prepare for the full Trumpization >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/trumpism-the-ideology/>of your movement. >> >> >> *Read more:*Trumpism: The Ideology >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/trumpism-the-ideology/> >> Why We Should Talk About Fascism >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/why-we-should-talk-about-fascism/> >> The Eff Word Goes Mainstream >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/the-eff-word-goes-mainstream/> >> Has Donald Trump Unleashed the Neo-Nazis? >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/did-donald-trump-unleash-the-neo-nazis/> >> How Carly Fiorina and a Boring Debate Took Out Trump >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/how-carly-fiorina-and-a-boring-debate-took-out-trump/> >> The Rand Paul Campaign: A Retrospective >> <https://tucker.liberty.me/the-rand-paul-campaign-a-retrospective/> >> >> >> >> https://tucker.liberty.me/the-conservative-meltdown-courtesy-of-trump/?utm_source=Liberty.me&utm_campaign=78d50e7fb0-2015_12_16_Article_Feature_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ecad00b597-78d50e7fb0-139706489 >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. 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