I believe in a free market economy, and our Republican form of government. I am disillusioned by the "Washington Elite" who have rigged election and campaign laws to their favor.
I find fault with Tucker's misrepresentative take on contemporary history; and the foolish notion that only older, uneducated White people oppose a candidate who wants to reinvigorate the American economy, or who's campaign slogan is: "Make America Great Again". To suggest that Bill Buckley defined conservatism is a very narrow view. I once again repeat, "revisionist"..... On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Keith, you are 100% correct about this arrogant, anti democratic, elitist > SOB...... > --- > so you support the USA being a democracy? > ok > > On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 12:51:47 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: >> >> Keith, you are 100% correct about this arrogant, anti democratic, elitist >> SOB......He is creative in his ability to reinvent history......reminds me >> of the Soviets and their rewriting of history and we used to laugh at them >> for doing so but now the lefties here are following in the Soviets foot >> paths...... >> >> In a message dated 12/21/2015 6:37:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Geesh what a piss poor, revisionist sense of history, and yet there are >> Americans that swallow this bullshit up hook, line and sinker. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:32 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Dec 11, 2015 >>> >>> *The Conservative Meltdown, Courtesy of Trump*By Jeffrey Tucker >>> >>> For 60 years, the conservative establishment has worked to overcome the >>> biggest leftist lie of them all: that non-leftists are really Nazis in >>> disguise. To wreck that view, conservatism reinvented itself after World >>> War II. >>> >>> William Buckley, editor of National Review, led the way. He purged the >>> hard racists, dedicated segregationists, the Falangists, the anti-semites, >>> the crypto-Nazis, the theocrats and ecclesiocrats, and the wildly paranoid >>> conspiracy mongers. >>> >>> Buckley was the one to do it too, because he was erudite and educated, >>> with a subtle sense of things. It was a massive effort in social and >>> political control, and it mostly worked. The culminating victory came with >>> the election of Ronald Reagan. >>> >>> So sensitive was Buckley to the charge of Nazi sympathies that he lost >>> his composure completely, on live television, when in 1968 Gore Vidal >>> charged him with being a crypto-Nazi. It was enough to cause Buckley, again >>> on live television, to threaten Vidal with a punch in the face. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_nq4tfi24&feature=youtu.be >>> >>> And Buckley never stopped the purges even through the 2000s. To be in >>> the Buckley circle, you had to be housebroken. You had to avoid the fever >>> swamps. >>> >>> Many of these purges were wholly justified, but there was also >>> collateral damage. He also purged the libertarians and the Randians too, >>> for different reasons. Libertarians weren’t on board with the Cold War, so >>> that was enough for him. As for Rand, perhaps it was the atheism above all >>> else, since by this time, a firm defense of religious faith had become >>> essential to the package of this new thing called conservatism. >>> >>> If Buckley was so worried about the impression that the only alternative >>> to leftism was Nazism, he might have cooled it a bit on suggesting nuclear >>> war against the North Vietnamese and the Russians. If a distinguishing mark >>> of Nazism is the use of mass violence to serve political ends, an >>> ideological change would have been more effective than purges in countering >>> the smears against the right. He might also have shown less affection for >>> police-state tactics against antiwar protestors. After all, these smears >>> from the left have the whiff of credibility for a reason. >>> >>> And now in 2015 enters Donald Trump. He is not a marginal candidate. His >>> rise and persistent dominance of the Republican field has establishment >>> conservatives panicked, simply because it’s proof that their ideology is >>> not dominant among GOP voters. Every demographic analysis of his supporters >>> shows that they do not get their news from magazines or the internet. These >>> people (middle age, middle income, white) are TV watchers and mostly >>> haven’t been to college. What the intelligentsia says doesn’t impact their >>> lives at all. >>> >>> And yet their voices have a plurality in the Republican party. We >>> haven’t heard from them that much in recent years because they’ve not had a >>> standard bearer and the establishment has exercised such tight control. Now >>> with Trump, we have the perfect storm: a person who is the caricature of >>> the ugly American. He pushes patriotism to the point of nativism, energy in >>> the executive to the point of fascism, police power as a solution without >>> limits, and military strength to the point of outright worship of war as >>> the only suitable means. >>> >>> The latent statism of the right reaches its apotheosis in Trump, and it >>> is driving the conservative establishment crazy. He is the painting in the >>> attic, and they want it to remain hidden. >>> >>> As for populism generally, both conservatives and libertarians have >>> variously toyed with it in the past. Surely the people want liberty. Surely >>> the only real problem is the ruling class and its power. If the people get >>> their way, through an assertive wresting of control from the elites, the >>> result would be a freer America. The real problem traces to the people >>> controlling the party, not the voters as such. >>> >>> But look at what’s happening. The establishment is losing control, but >>> the result is not a movement that favors freedom but something more like >>> the right-wing version of the Red Guard. The Trump movement is unleashing >>> unguided hate: it was Mexicans, then Syrians, then all Muslims, and now he >>> can stand in front of audiences ridiculing free speech and elicit cheers >>> from the frothing masses. >>> >>> H.L. Mencken is making much more sense to me today. This is a change for >>> me. I’ve always appreciated Mencken’s love of freedom, his suspicion of the >>> state, his appreciation for high culture, his disdain for the age-old >>> superstitions. All that I could grasp and share. What I could not entirely >>> share was his dread of the common man, and his absolute loathing of the >>> political system that puts the hoi polloi in charge of choosing political >>> leadership. He found the system preposterous. >>> >>> I’ve always understood the intellectual arguments against democracy and >>> agreed more or less. But I could never muster Mencken’s passion concerning >>> the topic. I’ve never fully understood his intense conviction that >>> democracy is the single biggest threat to liberty. >>> >>> Trump has changed all that. Now I see it fully. The common man is gold >>> as a consumer, worker, family member, church goer. As a voter and political >>> influencer, the common man is a disaster waiting to happen. >>> >>> What effect does this have on conservative ideology? It makes the job of >>> seeming intelligent and responsible ever more difficult. If I were a >>> leftist, I would be laughing out loud at all these upheavals. Trump as the >>> only alternative to Sanders/Hillary is not a world I want to inhabit. >>> >>> My prediction is this. Whether or not Trump snags the nomination, his >>> dominance of the polls in 2015 has given the biggest boost the left has >>> received in half a century. It also calls on conservatives to clean up >>> their act: get more libertarian or prepare for the full Trumpization >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/trumpism-the-ideology/>of your movement. >>> >>> >>> *Read more:*Trumpism: The Ideology >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/trumpism-the-ideology/> >>> Why We Should Talk About Fascism >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/why-we-should-talk-about-fascism/> >>> The Eff Word Goes Mainstream >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/the-eff-word-goes-mainstream/> >>> Has Donald Trump Unleashed the Neo-Nazis? >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/did-donald-trump-unleash-the-neo-nazis/> >>> How Carly Fiorina and a Boring Debate Took Out Trump >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/how-carly-fiorina-and-a-boring-debate-took-out-trump/> >>> The Rand Paul Campaign: A Retrospective >>> <https://tucker.liberty.me/the-rand-paul-campaign-a-retrospective/> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://tucker.liberty.me/the-conservative-meltdown-courtesy-of-trump/?utm_source=Liberty.me&utm_campaign=78d50e7fb0-2015_12_16_Article_Feature_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ecad00b597-78d50e7fb0-139706489 >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. 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