I have never personally even held a gun --- I can tell. our first right is the right of self defense. guns are necessary to keep the violent in check and for hunting.
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 12:41:24 AM UTC-6, pluto of brougham wrote: > > Indeed I do, thank you for your apology, I was rather sorry for the above > as I tend to agree with your posts just about all of the time, however, to > the matter in hand: I have never personally even held a gun, and come from > a culture where guns are held under a licence (and you need very good > reason for this) by the police and, unfortunately, the criminal element. I > am very aware the arguments put up by the NRA and various gun lobbies, but, > as a country that has gun control (Aust.) as have our sister countries, > Canada, UK, NZ and others, I assure you, it's a very much safer society we > live in. > > As far as I recall, the right for you to bear arms goes back to the > American revolution, and that the people had the right to defend themselves > if the government overstepped it's bounds, however, again if I remember > correctly, during the depression when workers marched in protest about the > conditions they were living under, the government called out the army and I > believe fired upon them, if any of them did carry firearms seemed to have > been pointless, so you see, this argument falls flat. > > I recognise the unfortunate fact that some areas in the US are so > dangerous that it requires some protection, luckily whenever I visited that > beautiful land I never encountered any, but maintain that if guns were to > be controlled, there would be far far less crimes committed. > > If I can give you an example, I have had some very heated exchanges with > another member of this group, now, perhaps at times I do use somewhat > intemperate language, however, I only use words, I truly believe, that had > we carried that argument face to face, he may well have unsheathed his > firearm, sometimes it can be an automatic reaction, much as you might > regret it later. > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:04 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> . I suppose at the end of the day you are to be pitied your illogical >> answer. >> --- >> ok ... I apologize. >> when I hear people recommend taking gun privies away I over react. >> do you have an issue with guns you would like to discuss? >> >> >> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 10:54:10 PM UTC-6, pluto of brougham >> wrote: >>> >>> How eloquently you prove my point boy, you have not the >>> skill/articulation/education to make a valid point why you need them, so >>> your pathetic response is to try to silence anyone who disagrees. I suppose >>> at the end of the day you are to be pitied your illogical answer. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> what's stfu stand for >>>> --- >>>> guns are necessary ... so shut the fuck up. >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 6:53:16 PM UTC-6, pluto of brougham >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> say again, what's stfu stand for >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:48 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "And on the sixth day thou shalt manufacture firearms for the >>>>>> murderous and the feeble minded" >>>>>> --- >>>>>> you sound like a religious myth believer. >>>>>> guns are necessary ... those who don't understand should stfu. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-6, pluto of brougham >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "And on the sixth day thou shalt manufacture firearms for the >>>>>>> murderous and the feeble minded" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:49 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why Beretta is moving its gun factory to Tennessee >>>>>>>> by Aaron Smith @AaronSmithCNN >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=AaronSmithCNN> >>>>>>>> [image: beretta factory]Beretta is moving its Maryland factory >>>>>>>> (pictured here) to Tennessee because of Maryland's tough new gun laws. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmoney.cnn.com%2F2015%2F12%2F17%2Fnews%2Fcompanies%2Fberetta-guns-factory-tennessee-maryland%2Findex.html&title=Why%20Beretta%20is%20moving%20its%20gun%20factory%20to%20Tennessee> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Why%20Beretta%20is%20moving%20its%20gun%20factory%20to%20Tennessee&via=CNNMoney&related=CNNMoney%3ABreaking%20news%20and%20in-depth%20looks%20at%20the%20most%20important%20business%20stories%20of%20the%20day.&url=http://cnnmon.ie/1NUTjZT> >>>>>>>> Beretta USA says Maryland's tough new gun laws are the reason it's >>>>>>>> moving its factory to gun-friendly Tennessee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The American subsidiary of the 500-year-old Italian company has had >>>>>>>> a factory in Accokeek, Maryland since the 1970s. The company has >>>>>>>> manufactured the M9, the U.S. Army's standard-issue sidearm, since >>>>>>>> 1987 at >>>>>>>> that factory, which is about 20 miles south of Washington, D.C. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Beretta is relocating the factory to Gallatin, Tenn., in early >>>>>>>> 2016, because it's worried that Maryland gun laws could force it out >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> state. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maryland is one of several states that have passed new gun laws to >>>>>>>> restrict military-style semiautomatic rifles >>>>>>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/04/news/companies/san-bernardino-killings-ar15/?iid=EL> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> high capacity magazines since the mass shooting in Newtown, >>>>>>>> Connecticut >>>>>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/politics/obama-newtown-anniversary/?iid=EL>, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> three years ago. These weapons have been used in subsequent mass >>>>>>>> shootings, >>>>>>>> including the recent one in San Bernardino >>>>>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/san-bernardino-shooting/?iid=EL>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The state's Firearm Safety Act of 2013, championed by former >>>>>>>> Maryland governor and Democratic presidential candidate Martin >>>>>>>> O'Malley, >>>>>>>> targets assault weapons, banning 45 guns and limiting magazine >>>>>>>> capacity to >>>>>>>> 10 rounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Maryland law means that Beretta's M9 semiautomatic pistol >>>>>>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/22/news/beretta-m9-lethal-weapon/index.html?iid=EL>, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which holds 15 rounds, is now illegal in the state, said Beretta USA's >>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>> lawyer, Jeff Reh. He said the ban also applies to Beretta's pistol >>>>>>>> grip >>>>>>>> shotguns, and also to the semiautomatic rifles >>>>>>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/09/news/companies/assault-weapon-sales/?iid=EL> >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> the ARX 100 <http://www.beretta.com/en-us/arx-100/>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reh said that the company lobbied successfully to change the law so >>>>>>>> that Beretta could continue to make, import and warehouse these guns >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Maryland, even though private citizens can't own them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Related: Remington shifts jobs from N.Y. to Alabama >>>>>>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/20/news/companies/remington-jobs/?iid=EL> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Still, Reh said, the company realized that "with the stroke of a >>>>>>>> pen our ability to manufacture products for the armed forces, or >>>>>>>> police, or >>>>>>>> even civilians, could be blocked." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the city of Gallatin, Tennessee, welcomed Beratta's $45 million >>>>>>>> gun factory with open arms and $4 million in incentives. That includes >>>>>>>> 100 >>>>>>>> acres of land worth $1.75 million and a 10-year tax abatement worth >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> $2.2 million, according to James Fenton, Gallatin's economic >>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>> director. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "It was the best financial package that we were offered," said Reh. >>>>>>>> [image: three berettas]Beretta's M9 handguns are restricted in >>>>>>>> Maryland because the magazines can hold more than 10 rounds. So the >>>>>>>> company >>>>>>>> moved production to Tennessee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gallatin is a city of more than 30,000 people some 20 miles out of >>>>>>>> Nashville, which puts it close to an international airport, a >>>>>>>> necessity for >>>>>>>> the gunmaker. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We will see an immediate increase in real and personal property >>>>>>>> taxes," said Fenton. "We have seen a jump in local sales tax during >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first phase of construction. Additionally, there continues to be >>>>>>>> robust >>>>>>>> interest in the area because of the [Beretta] announcement." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fenton expects the factory to eventually employ 300 people, most of >>>>>>>> them hired locally. Beretta's sales, marketing, legal and customer >>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>> staff will stay in Maryland. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Beretta's move south started when the company's patriarch, Ugo >>>>>>>> Gussalli Beretta, asked Reh to identify "the most consistently >>>>>>>> pro-Second >>>>>>>> Amendment states in the country." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "He told me, 'If we're going to build a factory somewhere, I want >>>>>>>> to put it in a state where I don't have to worry about it, or my sons >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> have to worry about it, or even my grandkids,'" said Reh. "So he's >>>>>>>> taking a >>>>>>>> 100-year view of the company." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This will be the third factory that Beretta has built since the >>>>>>>> company >>>>>>>> started in the early 1500s >>>>>>>> <http://www.beretta.com/en-us/world-of-beretta/since-1526/>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reh said that he personally visited 80 potential factory locations >>>>>>>> in Georgia, Texas, the Carolinas, Kentucky and also Virginia, which he >>>>>>>> liked because of its proximity to Maryland. But he abandoned Virginia >>>>>>>> because Governor Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, ran for office on a gun >>>>>>>> control platform. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gallatin's James Fenton said that gun control laws in Virginia and >>>>>>>> Maryland are a boon for Tennessee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I would like to mention that the [former] governor of Maryland is >>>>>>>> my best friend for passing that legislation," he said, "even though >>>>>>>> we've >>>>>>>> never met." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Related: My 'Lethal Weapon' moment with Beretta's new gun >>>>>>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/22/news/beretta-m9-lethal-weapon/index.html?iid=EL> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Related: Background checks on track for a record year >>>>>>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/03/news/san-bernardino-fbi-background-checks/index.html?iid=EL> >>>>>>>> CNNMoney (New York) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 5:47:17 PM UTC-6, plainolamerican >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> School District in Tennessee Arms TeachersJustin Holcomb >>>>>>>>> <http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/>| Dec 21, 2015 >>>>>>>>> [image: Justin Holcomb] >>>>>>>>> <http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Share on Facebook*6* >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> - 6 SHARES >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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