3 out of 4 Americans are Christian --- but thankfully disappearing fast. Zack Hunt’s interesting and important Huffington Post commentary <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zack-hunt/are-we-finally-witnessing_b_8744776.html?utm_hp_ref=religion> on the demise of Christianity in America, evidenced in part by the low numbers of Millennials attending or affiliating with Christian churches, places much of the blame on the rise of the right-wing but also on the failure of Christians more generally to live a life like that attributed to Jesus. Hunt notes the stunning hypocrisy of Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell Jr., who encourages his Christian students to arm themselves so that they can, “end those Muslims” before they kill “good people,” which seems a bit of a stretch from Jesus’ idea of turning the other cheek.
Hunt makes the powerful point that Christianity is being destroyed in America because its message of peace has been appropriated and warped by those who promote values contrary to those associated with the words of Jesus. Christians, as Hunt puts it, seem to easily find ways these days to claim they believe in the Bible and their god while also finding ways to avoid living like Jesus and building a life around peaceful action, selflessness, and caring for others. As a non-Christian—an outsider looking in at the religion Hunt describes, but an outsider who has read the Bible and even taken graduate courses in both the New and Old Testaments—I find it difficult to disagree. The Christianity I see in the news is certainly not a religion that promotes peace, love, inclusion, and caring for others who are less fortunate. At the same, time, I am well aware that there are many peaceful, caring people in America who claim Christianity as their religion and who do much to make the world a better place. As with any religion, universally characterizing Christianity and its followers is a very difficult thing to do. That said, I think Hunt missed another important factor that may contribute to the distaste many these days have for Christianity and that could eventually result in its demise in America—if said demise is truly imminent. That factor is arrogance. >From the perspective of the outside looking in, Christianity seems to have a fundamental flaw in that it arrogantly professes a single truth that must apply to all people in our world. Evangelicals are, of course, the most obvious expression of this arrogance as they go about trying to spread their truth and often attempt to impose it on others. The arrogance runs even deeper in claims that those who fail to accept this singular truth will be punished. A good example of this can be found in some comments written by Christians following the disaster in northern Japan in 2011. Amidst all of the suffering that individuals, families, and communities faced, some in America claimed that the Japanese were being punished by the Abrahamic god for their lack of Christian faith. I had a very difficult time finding the love in those comments. In many ways the big turn-off for many of us non-Christians is precisely that kind of arrogance, found in the firm and not very humble conviction that there is only one truth and anyone who doesn’t see that “we” (name your Christian sect) have it is doomed to eternal suffering and punishment. When it involves evangelism, the arrogance quickly can turn into a condescending attempt to “save” those of us don’t seem to recognize the wonderful things being done on our behalf and even can lead to violence. Of course, this isn’t a problem limited to Christianity. Any ideology that claims to have a monopoly on truth, on knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, and how to live life in general, has the potential to head in the direction of a condescending arrogance grounded in intolerance and a smug self-satisfaction that one has something others lack, but need. The potential demise of Christianity that concerns Hunt is not the product of an arrogance unique to the right wing; it runs through Christian theology in its frequent claims to exclusive access to and representation of a universalized truth handed down by the Abrahamic god in the words of the Bible. I don’t mean to argue here that all Christians are arrogant nor that all Christians believe there is no truth but theirs. Like in any religion, individual Christians pick and choose which parts of their faith to accept and which parts to ignore or reject. And certainly many Christians see their faith as one among many ways to find peace. But as soon as one believes there is only a single path to the truth—and the institution of Christianity certainly proclaims this when stating that said path runs only through Jesus or is handed down in a book containing the words of a god—the doors to arrogance and intolerance become fairly easy to walk through. On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > As is typical, Secular Progressives will depend upon hate sites and George > Soros media to spew forth untruthful information, but no matter, 3 out of 4 > Americans are Christian, whether you like it, or don't like it: > > RELIGION > *DECEMBER 24, 2015* > > - PRINT > > <http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx?version=print> > - SHARE > > <http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx#share-article-modal> > > Percentage of Christians in U.S. Drifting Down, but Still High > > http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx > > by Frank Newport > STORY HIGHLIGHTS > > - 75% of Americans identify with a Christian religion > - Christian identification is down from 80% in 2008 > - 5% of Americans identify with a non-Christian religion, little > changed > > PRINCETON, N.J. -- On the eve of Christmas 2015, a review of over 174,000 > interviews conducted in 2015 shows that three-quarters of American adults > identify with a Christian religion, little changed from 2014, but down from > 80% eight years ago. About 5% of Americans identify with a non-Christian > religion, while 20% have no formal religious identification, which is up > five percentage points since 2008. > > [image: Religious Identification in the U.S., 2008-2015] > > These results are based on interviews conducted each year since 2008 as > part of Gallup Daily tracking. The general trends in the data over this > eight-year period are clear: As the percentage of Americans identifying > with a Christian religion has decreased, the percentage with no formal > religious identification has increased. The small percentage of Americans > who identify with a non-Christian religion has been essentially constant > over this time period. > [image: TD Christian] > > The downtick in the percentage of the U.S. population identifying as > Christian over the past eight years is a continuation of a trend that has > been evident for decades. In Gallup surveys in the 1950s, over 90% of the > adult population identified as Christian, with only a small percentage > claiming no religious identification at all or identifying with a > non-Christian religion. > > Despite these changes, America remains a predominantly Christian nation, > and with 94% of those who identify with a religion saying they are > Christian. > > The broad Christian category includes Catholics, Protestants, Mormons and > non-denominational Christians. In 2015, 24% of Americans identify as > Catholic, 50% as Protestant or as members of another non-Catholic Christian > religion, and 2% as Mormon. > > *Christian Percentage Is Lowest Among Young Americans* > > The percentage of Christians is highest among older Americans and > decreases with each progressively younger age group. This trend reflects > the high number of "nones" -- those without a formal religious identity -- > in the younger generations, as well as a higher proportion of > non-Christians among them. > > [image: Religious Identification in the U.S. by Age, 2015] > > One key to the future of Christian representation in the U.S. population > will be shifts in the religious identification of today's youngest cohorts. > Traditionally, Americans have become more likely to identify with a > religion as they age through their 30s and 40s and get married and have > children. If this pattern does not occur in the same way it has in the > past, the percentage of Christians nationwide will likely continue to > shrink. > > *Bottom Line* > > America remains a predominantly Christian nation, with three-quarters of > all adults identifying with a Christian faith, and with over 90% Christian > representation among those who say they are a member of any kind of > religion. A major religious trend in the U.S., however, has been the > increasing number of Americans who say they do not have a formal religious > identification. This expansion has been accompanied by the shrinkage in the > number of people who identify as Christian. More than 95% of Americans > identified as Christian in the 1950s, and 80% did so as recently as eight > years ago. While the 5% of the population who identify with a non-Christian > faith is higher than it was decades ago, it has not shown significant > change over the past eight years. > > *These data are available in* *Gallup Analytics* > <http://www.gallup.com/products/170987/gallup-analytics.aspx?utm_source=www&utm_medium=mainnav&utm_campaign=gallup_analytics> > *.* > > *Survey Methods* > > Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted > from 2008-2015 on the Gallup U.S. Daily survey, with random samples of > adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of > Columbia. The sample sizes of those interviewed were over 350,000 for the > years 2008 through 2012, and over 170,000 for the years 2013 through 2015. > The 2015 sample consists of interviews conducted through Dec. 20, 2015. For > results based on the total sample of national adults for each year, the > margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point at the 95% confidence > level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design > effects for weighting. > > Each sample of national adults includes both cellphone respondents and > landline respondents, with the percentage of each varying across the eight > years included in this analysis. Landline and cellular telephone numbers > are selected using random-digit-dial methods. > > Learn more about how the Gallup U.S. Daily > <http://www.gallup.com/185462/gallup-daily-work.aspx?utm_source=METHODOLOGY&utm_medium=topic&utm_campaign=tiles> > works. > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:12 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> a secular government can still be based on Christian principles and >> tenets. >> --- >> believe want you want ... it won't change history ... or the fact that >> the religious have been persecuting those with different beliefs since the >> founding of America. >> >> the good news! >> >> The share of Americans who say they are “absolutely certain” God exists >> has dropped more sharply, from 71% in 2007 to 63% in 2014. And the >> percentages who say they pray every day, attend religious services >> regularly and consider religion to be very important in their lives also >> have ticked down by small but statistically significant margins. >> >> The falloff in traditional religious beliefs and practices coincides with >> changes in the religious composition of the U.S. public. A growing share of >> Americans are religiously unaffiliated, including some who self-identify as >> atheists or agnostics as well as many who describe their religion as >> “nothing in particular.” Altogether, the religiously unaffiliated (also >> called the “nones”) now account for 23% of the adult population, up from >> 16% in 2007. >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:24:52 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Because you are a Secular Progressive, it's likely that you don't have >>> critical thinking skills, and cannot fathom how and why our Nation was >>> founded, and how it's based on a republican form of government. I >>> encourage you to keep seeking truth and answers; (which is all any of us >>> can do!) and hopefully you'll comprehend and understand how a secular >>> government can still be based on Christian principles and tenets. It is >>> the very cornerstone of our Nation's founding. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:01 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The very Constitution that frames this Nation was based on Christian >>>> principles and tenets. >>>> --- >>>> that doesn't mean jack shit to a secular nation. >>>> and you left out the judeo part. Ya gotta give the jews some credit. >>>> if you want a religious government move to israel or iran. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:57:23 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't have to do with your religious beliefs; you still don't get >>>>> it....The very Constitution that frames this Nation was based on >>>>> Christian >>>>> principles and tenets. "It Is~~What It Is".... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:31 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> this Nation was founded on Christian principles and tenets! >>>>>> --- >>>>>> as a secular nation ... no religious tests ... a separation between >>>>>> church and state. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus the very reason that we can even have this very conversation >>>>>> today. Instead of fighting your heritage, you should embrace it, and be >>>>>> thankful that you're not a part and parcel of a caliphate or *Dar al >>>>>> Islam*! >>>>>> --- >>>>>> I'm thankful that I don't believe in religious hogwash or participate >>>>>> in their silly wars. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:23:20 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Poor, poor Plain Ol'! No matter how hard you try to revisit >>>>>>> history, or rewrite it, the fact will always remain that this Nation >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> founded on Christian principles and tenets! Thus the very reason that >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> can even have this very conversation today. Instead of fighting your >>>>>>> heritage, you should embrace it, and be thankful that you're not a part >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> parcel of a caliphate or *Dar al Islam*! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:20 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Conservatives "follow" no one. We're critical thinkers >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> yet you ignorantly defend a cunt like Ann Coulter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you need to get over the fact that America is a secular nation or >>>>>>>> just move your sorry ass to israel or iran where religious myth >>>>>>>> believers >>>>>>>> like yourself are encouraged to persecute those with different beliefs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:12:47 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Followers"? No, you're confusing Ann and those who read her >>>>>>>>> column with Secular Progressives and their cultist >>>>>>>>> tendencies.....Conservatives "follow" no one. We're critical >>>>>>>>> thinkers >>>>>>>>> Plain Ol. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I read the subject line I thought it was a joke but she >>>>>>>>>> really was stopped.....my God, what is happening in this nation!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/17/2016 7:59:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if you can't admit that she's a bitch then you don't know what a >>>>>>>>>> bitch is. >>>>>>>>>> fuck her and her followers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Typical Secular Progressive response. You don't like Ann >>>>>>>>>>> Coulter, but can't really muster anything logical to dispute what >>>>>>>>>>> she says >>>>>>>>>>> and advocates, so it's the typical "Secular Progressive Attack The >>>>>>>>>>> Messenger" rant, slinging bigot and racist tags at >>>>>>>>>>> Coulter.....Typical! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:08 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> she is a great "ball buster" of ignorant males and females! >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> she's a bigoted bitch that spews hate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought the powers that be might arrest her because she is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> great "ball buster" of ignorant males and females! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/16/2016 5:06:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight >>>>>>>>>>>>> Time, [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol yeah that Adams apple is suspect. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2016 10:03 AM, "plainolamerican" < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bizstandardnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/398px-ann_coulter2.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bizstandardnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/398px-ann_coulter2.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Alan Gordon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Business Standard News has learned that Rightwing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commentator Ann Coulter has been arrested by a security officer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use a women’s bathroom in Charlotte, N.C. North Carolina is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> widespread criticism and a federal lawsuit for instituting a law >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> force transgender people to use the bathroom of the birth gender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coulter was outraged at her arrest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> “I can’t believe the nerve of this rent-a-cop,” she said >>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to The Conservative Chronicle. “He’s probably an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security guard Jorge Rodriguez later apologized for his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions, but said it was easy to believe that Coulter was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transgender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> “I didn’t know who she was,” said Rodriguez. “But look at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Adam’s apple and those arms? I thought she was a man for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically Coulter has been supportive of North Carolina’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-transgender laws, which she believes protect children. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s not that transgender people are going to go and molest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> children,” said Coulter on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maher.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dan-savage-ann-coulter-transgender-bathroom-rights_us_572f9c74e4b0bc9cb0472f03>“It’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that once you say men can go into women’s bathrooms — men who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping with their little daughters and don’t have mommy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring her in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. 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