Thank you for sharing the Secular Progressive viewpoint. As I showed above, the Secular Progressive viewpoint is just that, "A Viewpoint"...Not at all accurate, but fascinating to see how ya'll think.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:53 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > 3 out of 4 Americans are Christian > --- > but thankfully disappearing fast. > > Zack Hunt’s interesting and important Huffington Post commentary > <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zack-hunt/are-we-finally-witnessing_b_8744776.html?utm_hp_ref=religion> > on > the demise of Christianity in America, evidenced in part by the low numbers > of Millennials attending or affiliating with Christian churches, places > much of the blame on the rise of the right-wing but also on the failure of > Christians more generally to live a life like that attributed to Jesus. > Hunt notes the stunning hypocrisy of Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell > Jr., who encourages his Christian students to arm themselves so that they > can, “end those Muslims” before they kill “good people,” which seems a bit > of a stretch from Jesus’ idea of turning the other cheek. > > Hunt makes the powerful point that Christianity is being destroyed in > America because its message of peace has been appropriated and warped by > those who promote values contrary to those associated with the words of > Jesus. Christians, as Hunt puts it, seem to easily find ways these days to > claim they believe in the Bible and their god while also finding ways to > avoid living like Jesus and building a life around peaceful action, > selflessness, and caring for others. > > As a non-Christian—an outsider looking in at the religion Hunt describes, > but an outsider who has read the Bible and even taken graduate courses in > both the New and Old Testaments—I find it difficult to disagree. The > Christianity I see in the news is certainly not a religion that promotes > peace, love, inclusion, and caring for others who are less fortunate. At > the same, time, I am well aware that there are many peaceful, caring people > in America who claim Christianity as their religion and who do much to make > the world a better place. As with any religion, universally characterizing > Christianity and its followers is a very difficult thing to do. > > That said, I think Hunt missed another important factor that may > contribute to the distaste many these days have for Christianity and that > could eventually result in its demise in America—if said demise is truly > imminent. That factor is arrogance. > > From the perspective of the outside looking in, Christianity seems to have > a fundamental flaw in that it arrogantly professes a single truth that must > apply to all people in our world. Evangelicals are, of course, the most > obvious expression of this arrogance as they go about trying to spread > their truth and often attempt to impose it on others. The arrogance runs > even deeper in claims that those who fail to accept this singular truth > will be punished. A good example of this can be found in some comments > written by Christians following the disaster in northern Japan in 2011. > Amidst all of the suffering that individuals, families, and communities > faced, some in America claimed that the Japanese were being punished by the > Abrahamic god for their lack of Christian faith. I had a very difficult > time finding the love in those comments. > > In many ways the big turn-off for many of us non-Christians is precisely > that kind of arrogance, found in the firm and not very humble conviction > that there is only one truth and anyone who doesn’t see that “we” (name > your Christian sect) have it is doomed to eternal suffering and punishment. > When it involves evangelism, the arrogance quickly can turn into a > condescending attempt to “save” those of us don’t seem to recognize the > wonderful things being done on our behalf and even can lead to violence. > > Of course, this isn’t a problem limited to Christianity. Any ideology that > claims to have a monopoly on truth, on knowledge of right and wrong, good > and evil, and how to live life in general, has the potential to head in the > direction of a condescending arrogance grounded in intolerance and a smug > self-satisfaction that one has something others lack, but need. > > The potential demise of Christianity that concerns Hunt is not the product > of an arrogance unique to the right wing; it runs through Christian > theology in its frequent claims to exclusive access to and representation > of a universalized truth handed down by the Abrahamic god in the words of > the Bible. > > I don’t mean to argue here that all Christians are arrogant nor that all > Christians believe there is no truth but theirs. Like in any religion, > individual Christians pick and choose which parts of their faith to accept > and which parts to ignore or reject. And certainly many Christians see > their faith as one among many ways to find peace. But as soon as one > believes there is only a single path to the truth—and the institution of > Christianity certainly proclaims this when stating that said path runs only > through Jesus or is handed down in a book containing the words of a god—the > doors to arrogance and intolerance become fairly easy to walk through. > > On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> As is typical, Secular Progressives will depend upon hate sites and >> George Soros media to spew forth untruthful information, but no matter, 3 >> out of 4 Americans are Christian, whether you like it, or don't like it: >> >> RELIGION >> *DECEMBER 24, 2015* >> >> - PRINT >> >> <http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx?version=print> >> - SHARE >> >> <http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx#share-article-modal> >> >> Percentage of Christians in U.S. Drifting Down, but Still High >> >> http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx >> >> by Frank Newport >> STORY HIGHLIGHTS >> >> - 75% of Americans identify with a Christian religion >> - Christian identification is down from 80% in 2008 >> - 5% of Americans identify with a non-Christian religion, little >> changed >> >> PRINCETON, N.J. -- On the eve of Christmas 2015, a review of over 174,000 >> interviews conducted in 2015 shows that three-quarters of American adults >> identify with a Christian religion, little changed from 2014, but down from >> 80% eight years ago. About 5% of Americans identify with a non-Christian >> religion, while 20% have no formal religious identification, which is up >> five percentage points since 2008. >> >> [image: Religious Identification in the U.S., 2008-2015] >> >> These results are based on interviews conducted each year since 2008 as >> part of Gallup Daily tracking. The general trends in the data over this >> eight-year period are clear: As the percentage of Americans identifying >> with a Christian religion has decreased, the percentage with no formal >> religious identification has increased. The small percentage of Americans >> who identify with a non-Christian religion has been essentially constant >> over this time period. >> [image: TD Christian] >> >> The downtick in the percentage of the U.S. population identifying as >> Christian over the past eight years is a continuation of a trend that has >> been evident for decades. In Gallup surveys in the 1950s, over 90% of the >> adult population identified as Christian, with only a small percentage >> claiming no religious identification at all or identifying with a >> non-Christian religion. >> >> Despite these changes, America remains a predominantly Christian nation, >> and with 94% of those who identify with a religion saying they are >> Christian. >> >> The broad Christian category includes Catholics, Protestants, Mormons and >> non-denominational Christians. In 2015, 24% of Americans identify as >> Catholic, 50% as Protestant or as members of another non-Catholic Christian >> religion, and 2% as Mormon. >> >> *Christian Percentage Is Lowest Among Young Americans* >> >> The percentage of Christians is highest among older Americans and >> decreases with each progressively younger age group. This trend reflects >> the high number of "nones" -- those without a formal religious identity -- >> in the younger generations, as well as a higher proportion of >> non-Christians among them. >> >> [image: Religious Identification in the U.S. by Age, 2015] >> >> One key to the future of Christian representation in the U.S. population >> will be shifts in the religious identification of today's youngest cohorts. >> Traditionally, Americans have become more likely to identify with a >> religion as they age through their 30s and 40s and get married and have >> children. If this pattern does not occur in the same way it has in the >> past, the percentage of Christians nationwide will likely continue to >> shrink. >> >> *Bottom Line* >> >> America remains a predominantly Christian nation, with three-quarters of >> all adults identifying with a Christian faith, and with over 90% Christian >> representation among those who say they are a member of any kind of >> religion. A major religious trend in the U.S., however, has been the >> increasing number of Americans who say they do not have a formal religious >> identification. This expansion has been accompanied by the shrinkage in the >> number of people who identify as Christian. More than 95% of Americans >> identified as Christian in the 1950s, and 80% did so as recently as eight >> years ago. While the 5% of the population who identify with a non-Christian >> faith is higher than it was decades ago, it has not shown significant >> change over the past eight years. >> >> *These data are available in* *Gallup Analytics* >> <http://www.gallup.com/products/170987/gallup-analytics.aspx?utm_source=www&utm_medium=mainnav&utm_campaign=gallup_analytics> >> *.* >> >> *Survey Methods* >> >> Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted >> from 2008-2015 on the Gallup U.S. Daily survey, with random samples of >> adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of >> Columbia. The sample sizes of those interviewed were over 350,000 for the >> years 2008 through 2012, and over 170,000 for the years 2013 through 2015. >> The 2015 sample consists of interviews conducted through Dec. 20, 2015. For >> results based on the total sample of national adults for each year, the >> margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point at the 95% confidence >> level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design >> effects for weighting. >> >> Each sample of national adults includes both cellphone respondents and >> landline respondents, with the percentage of each varying across the eight >> years included in this analysis. Landline and cellular telephone numbers >> are selected using random-digit-dial methods. >> >> Learn more about how the Gallup U.S. Daily >> <http://www.gallup.com/185462/gallup-daily-work.aspx?utm_source=METHODOLOGY&utm_medium=topic&utm_campaign=tiles> >> works. >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:12 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> a secular government can still be based on Christian principles and >>> tenets. >>> --- >>> believe want you want ... it won't change history ... or the fact that >>> the religious have been persecuting those with different beliefs since the >>> founding of America. >>> >>> the good news! >>> >>> The share of Americans who say they are “absolutely certain” God exists >>> has dropped more sharply, from 71% in 2007 to 63% in 2014. And the >>> percentages who say they pray every day, attend religious services >>> regularly and consider religion to be very important in their lives also >>> have ticked down by small but statistically significant margins. >>> >>> The falloff in traditional religious beliefs and practices coincides >>> with changes in the religious composition of the U.S. public. A growing >>> share of Americans are religiously unaffiliated, including some who >>> self-identify as atheists or agnostics as well as many who describe their >>> religion as “nothing in particular.” Altogether, the religiously >>> unaffiliated (also called the “nones”) now account for 23% of the adult >>> population, up from 16% in 2007. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:24:52 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Because you are a Secular Progressive, it's likely that you don't have >>>> critical thinking skills, and cannot fathom how and why our Nation was >>>> founded, and how it's based on a republican form of government. I >>>> encourage you to keep seeking truth and answers; (which is all any of us >>>> can do!) and hopefully you'll comprehend and understand how a secular >>>> government can still be based on Christian principles and tenets. It is >>>> the very cornerstone of our Nation's founding. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:01 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The very Constitution that frames this Nation was based on Christian >>>>> principles and tenets. >>>>> --- >>>>> that doesn't mean jack shit to a secular nation. >>>>> and you left out the judeo part. Ya gotta give the jews some credit. >>>>> if you want a religious government move to israel or iran. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:57:23 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It doesn't have to do with your religious beliefs; you still don't >>>>>> get it....The very Constitution that frames this Nation was based on >>>>>> Christian principles and tenets. "It Is~~What It Is".... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:31 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this Nation was founded on Christian principles and tenets! >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> as a secular nation ... no religious tests ... a separation between >>>>>>> church and state. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thus the very reason that we can even have this very conversation >>>>>>> today. Instead of fighting your heritage, you should embrace it, and be >>>>>>> thankful that you're not a part and parcel of a caliphate or *Dar >>>>>>> al Islam*! >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> I'm thankful that I don't believe in religious hogwash or >>>>>>> participate in their silly wars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:23:20 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Poor, poor Plain Ol'! No matter how hard you try to revisit >>>>>>>> history, or rewrite it, the fact will always remain that this Nation >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> founded on Christian principles and tenets! Thus the very reason that >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> can even have this very conversation today. Instead of fighting your >>>>>>>> heritage, you should embrace it, and be thankful that you're not a >>>>>>>> part and >>>>>>>> parcel of a caliphate or *Dar al Islam*! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:20 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Conservatives "follow" no one. We're critical thinkers >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> yet you ignorantly defend a cunt like Ann Coulter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you need to get over the fact that America is a secular nation or >>>>>>>>> just move your sorry ass to israel or iran where religious myth >>>>>>>>> believers >>>>>>>>> like yourself are encouraged to persecute those with different >>>>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:12:47 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Followers"? No, you're confusing Ann and those who read her >>>>>>>>>> column with Secular Progressives and their cultist >>>>>>>>>> tendencies.....Conservatives "follow" no one. We're critical >>>>>>>>>> thinkers >>>>>>>>>> Plain Ol. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I read the subject line I thought it was a joke but she >>>>>>>>>>> really was stopped.....my God, what is happening in this nation!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/17/2016 7:59:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> if you can't admit that she's a bitch then you don't know what a >>>>>>>>>>> bitch is. >>>>>>>>>>> fuck her and her followers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Typical Secular Progressive response. You don't like Ann >>>>>>>>>>>> Coulter, but can't really muster anything logical to dispute what >>>>>>>>>>>> she says >>>>>>>>>>>> and advocates, so it's the typical "Secular Progressive Attack The >>>>>>>>>>>> Messenger" rant, slinging bigot and racist tags at >>>>>>>>>>>> Coulter.....Typical! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:08 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> she is a great "ball buster" of ignorant males and females! >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> she's a bigoted bitch that spews hate. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought the powers that be might arrest her because she is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a great "ball buster" of ignorant males and females! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/16/2016 5:06:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time, [email protected] writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol yeah that Adams apple is suspect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2016 10:03 AM, "plainolamerican" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bizstandardnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/398px-ann_coulter2.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bizstandardnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/398px-ann_coulter2.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Alan Gordon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Business Standard News has learned that Rightwing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commentator Ann Coulter has been arrested by a security officer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use a women’s bathroom in Charlotte, N.C. North Carolina is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> widespread criticism and a federal lawsuit for instituting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law that would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force transgender people to use the bathroom of the birth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coulter was outraged at her arrest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “I can’t believe the nerve of this rent-a-cop,” she said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to The Conservative Chronicle. “He’s probably an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security guard Jorge Rodriguez later apologized for his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions, but said it was easy to believe that Coulter was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transgender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “I didn’t know who she was,” said Rodriguez. “But look at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the that Adam’s apple and those arms? I thought she was a man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for sure.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically Coulter has been supportive of North Carolina’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-transgender laws, which she believes protect children. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s not that transgender people are going to go and molest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> children,” said Coulter on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maher.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dan-savage-ann-coulter-transgender-bathroom-rights_us_572f9c74e4b0bc9cb0472f03>“It’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that once you say men can go into women’s bathrooms — men who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping with their little daughters and don’t have mommy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring her in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. 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