NAFTA/CAFTA and TPP should it be ratified are another redistribution mechanism to level living standards and merge national economies. --------- Everything this country has done is to level living standards - which means to reduce ours in the US and make it more on par with nations like China and India. Only most of us don't want to live in a country where raw sewage runs along a ditch in front of one's home (India) or where the air is so thick with pollution you can't even see 100 yards in front of you.
The whole global warming bs is also nothing more than a mechanism to take from the richer countries and give to the poor. Anyone who ever bothered reading that Copenhagen treaty knows that, or is either willfully ignorant or intentionally dishonest. It spelled out that the richer countries will pay for "dignity", "environmental justice", and "social justice" of the poorer countries. The US was expected to pay massive amounts of money into a global fund to be distributed to poorer nations the world over. I find it interesting that the same so-called "experts" attacking Trump's plan to level the playing field on trade are the ones who have told Americans for years to stop complaining about illegals taking our jobs. They've told us that on net, illegals are good for our economy, and there is no bigger lie ever told. They cost not only jobs for millions of Americans - but also hundreds of billions annually to BOTH in healthcare and education provided to illegals. Both democrats and republicans have been telling this lie for decades. But more and more people now see that it's all been to benefit multinational companies and other businesses here TO THE DETRIMENT of the American workers who are left without jobs. The same is true of many Americans who see these same dishonest republicans and democrats who continue to support and defend illegal immigration as being the ones expressing horror and dismay at the prospect of making America dependent on America for its goods and services again. Personally I think the evidence is in on trade - it's overrated in its ability to lift the standard of living for the vast majority of Americans. You can't keep shipping all of the nation's jobs overseas for decades and say, "but it's good for you because you can buy cheap shit from China" or "televisions cost $200 less than they'd cost if made here". And the morons saying it don't seem to grasp that most Americans struggle to buy even cheap shit from China when we don't make anything here and our wages don't grow in 3 decades. IMO we've tried the globalist vision and it failed. PERIOD. It's time to try something different - even if that means a temporary period of pain and recession. America can freely trade with countries that have similar standards of living (UK, Canada) so we aren't competing with workers who make $2/day - THAT is what has to end. We've focused on what is good for other countries and for a handful of extremely wealthy and successful "American" companies who make nothing here for FAR too long. They can either agree to move some of their jobs back here or lose the market of 340 million Americans - it's that simple. But along with that, we MUST end the driving factors that make doing business in America so much more expensive. That includes Obamacare and a host of other massive regulatory bs that seems never-ending, and also institute a "loser pays" legal system to stamp out the endless abuse of our legal system by blood-sucking democrats with licenses to practice law. Only then might we approach that level playing field that would someday result in free trade with more countries. I grew up in the Industrial Midwest. One entire side of my family worked in the steel industry. So I've seen firsthand what globalization did to their lives and the town in which they lived 30 years ago. Since then we've seen it happen to cities all over America. Some have been simultaneously over-ridden with an influx of illegal labor, so those who lost their jobs in the steel industry can't even get jobs in construction or hospitality - as they have been filled with illegal labor. Just fuck that. People know that "free trade" has been anything BUT free to Americans. And people are sick and tired of a ruling class that continues to say that they just aren't sophisticated to know better. That ruling class is to blame for the lowest workforce participation rate in history and flattened wages for 30 years and massive increases in the numbers on food stamps. That ruling class needs to be told loudly and clearly to go pound sand. On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 11:19:27 AM UTC-4, gtheist957 wrote: > > I would think that tariffs would be used as a bargaining chip in > renegotiating past trade agreements. The national debt and negative trade > balances are hollowing out our domestic economy. Creating more service jobs > is not going to bring back capital. We have to produce products for > overseas trade. NAFTA/CAFTA and TPP should it be ratified are another > redistribution mechanism to level living standards and merge national > economies. > On Jul 9, 2016 9:36 AM, "MJ" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Friday, July 08, 2016 >> >> *Protectionism Will Not Make America Great *Pierre-Guy Veer >> >> At the end of June, presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump made a fiery >> speech >> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/full-transcript-trump-job-plan-speech-224891> >> >> about trade in Pittsburgh. Using many of Bernie Sanders’ talking points >> <http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-trade/> on the subject, Trump >> said, among others, that he would hold China accountable for the >> manipulation of its currency and unfair trade practices, withdraw from the >> Trans-Pacific Partnership, and renegotiate the North American Free Trade >> Agreement with Mexico and Canada. >> >> >> *Trade vs. Trade Treaties *There is some wisdom on Trump’s part about >> NAFTA. This agreement would deserve the label “bureaucratic agreement on >> trade” rather than “free trade agreement.” >> >> For example, Annex 313 >> <https://www.nafta-sec-alena.org/Home/Legal-Texts/North-American-Free-Trade-Agreement?mvid=2> >> >> states that Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey can only be called as such (and >> be sold) if they are produced in Tennessee “in accordance with the laws and >> regulations of the United States governing the manufacture of Bourbon >> Whiskey and Tennessee Whiskey.” >> >> The same rule applies to Canadian Whisky in Canada and Tequila and Mezcal >> in Mexico. Annex 703.2.A.4, on its side, contains a truckload of products >> which are exempted from free trade, including Canada’s milk supply >> management >> <http://www.iedm.org/fr/2551-sour-milk-system-canadas-dairy-quota-system-of-supply-management-ensures-that-canadians-will-pay-more-and-inefficiencies-wi> >> >> which may cost the average family >> <http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/10/canadians-milked-by-dairy-quotes> >> $267 a year. >> >> Trump is also right about being hesitant to support the TPP. What has >> leaked >> <https://fee.org/articles/trans-pacific-partnership-is-about-control-not-free-trade/> >> >> out of it shows that the agreement has more to do about protecting >> intellectual property rather than genuine trade liberalization. Such >> protection would stifle innovation >> <http://c4sif.org/2013/10/longer-copyright-terms-stiffer-copyright-penalties-coming-thanks-to-tpp-and-acta/> >> >> and slow economic growth – just imagine if there had been a patent on the >> wheel or iron casting when it was first invented. >> >> >> *Fairness is Buying What You Want from Wherever *However, Donald Trump >> is wrong to advocate for “fair” trade. In his platform >> <https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform> he calls >> for a level playing field in order to have a “fairer” trading relationship >> with China, known for its heavy top-down approach on foreign businesses >> <http://www.weeklystandard.com/how-chinese-regulatory-authorities-impose-protectionist-trade-policies/article/903435> >> . >> >> This amounts to protectionism that could set off a very costly trade war. >> American consumers will pay the price – a form of tax. It could set off a >> deep recession. When you consider the stakes here, you see that all of >> Trump’s valid complaints about trade treaties are designed to bring about >> something that is even worse. >> >> If, however, Trump’s goal is really to “make America great again,” then >> he should not be caring about China’s trade practices, but embracing >> unilateral free trade. >> >> Of course there would be unavoidable, short-term pain with job losses in >> industries that cannot compete with China and other industries. The steel >> industry, for example, would not be protected by the recently enabled >> 266-percent >> <http://www.aei.org/publication/us-steel-tariffs-a-case-study-in-protectionism-economic-losses-on-net-and-legal-plunder/> >> >> tariff imposed on Chinese steel and would shed many jobs. >> >> However, people using steel (for construction, manufacturing, etc.) would >> save so much money by being able to import cheaper steel. This surplus >> money will not evaporate; it will return in the economy in the form of >> savings, job creation, and economic growth. >> >> This is not trade theory: unilateral free trade has successfully >> happened. Famous French liberal Frédéric Bastiat has abundantly talked >> about England turning to unilateral free trade >> <http://bastiat.org/fr/angleterre_et_libre_echange.html> and how it >> helped the country become even richer. It even “gave them bread >> <http://bastiat.org/fr/liberte_pain.html>” during a bad harvest 1847 >> thanks to wheat imports. >> >> By walking down this “bold path,” to quote minister Peel who enacted free >> trade, America would truly be great. Government would stop subsidizing >> agriculture in every single form, thereby not only improving >> <http://www.ceres.org/issues/water/agriculture/the-cost-of-corn> the >> quality of the water supply, but also reversing the contentious debate >> about undocumented Mexicans whose livelihood was destroyed by U.S. corn >> subsidies >> <http://www.acton.org/pub/commentary/2012/02/29/corn-subsidies-root-us-mexico-immigration-problems>. >> >> Capital resources would be allocated in a more efficient way according to >> supply and demand – it might still be farming, but it could become >> manufacturing, mining, or even services – and save an average >> <http://www.aei.org/publication/a-midterm-review-of-the-2014-farm-bill/> >> of $6.1 billion per year until 2019. >> >> Trade liberalization, combined with Trump’s promises >> <https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform> to lower >> business income tax to 15 percent and tackle the deficit and debt, would >> truly “make America great again.” Because after the unavoidable short-term >> pain of adjusting to new incentives, Americans will get back to work and >> better supply the world’s demand on their own. >> >> https://fee.org/articles/protectionism-will-not-make-america-great/ >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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