That's interesting. Though I agree that historically traditional marriage vows in Christianity included clauses of the wife vowing to be obedient to her husband, I think until the past 40 years or so, that is precisely what they did. Look at the television shows of the 50s and 60s that accurately portrayed women of that era as housewives whose most important functions in life were cleaning the house and having dinner on the table when their husbands got home.
Today, in 40% of heterosexual married couples the female is the breadwinner of the family. When I was married in the early 90s that number was only 20%; I was making about twice what my husband made at the time and out-earned him for decades. So yeah, we finally said, "wth" with those vows and nixed them from our marriage vows. I recall in 1991 when we met with the Methodist minister who was going to marry us, telling him I was not going to be "given away" by my father or anyone else. His response was, "Good - you're not cattle!", lol. But if you look at Muslim women, unfortunately they ARE still cattle in far too many places. They wear what they're told. They can't own property, go to school, or vote. Polygamy (for men only, of course, abounds. And even in the "enlightened" Muslim countries women are still treated as subservient to men in countless ways. It's not only enshrined in their religion and tradition, but in their laws. If they had laws as we do in the US demanding equal rights (regardless of gender), those oppressive tenets of Islam would be illegal and punished. Exactly nowhere does that happen in any Muslim country. Even here in America, the few Muslims I know don't follow sharia law, yet the woman is COMPLETELY subservient to her husband, wears what she is told, and thinks what she is told to think. It's palpable - even in educated professionals (which happen to be the only Muslims I know personally). I admit I have a hard time respecting these Muslim women who are smarter and far more talented than their narrow-minded husbands who cling to Islam IMO because they know they have some intrinsic sick need to control women and think they exist to serve them. I mean no offense, but Muslim men IMO are the weakest, most pathetic creatures on the planet, as evidenced by their need to use religion to oppress and control - and yes - OWN women. And I'll add that this is at least partially why 20% of them now resort to being murderous psychopaths - they see women gaining equal rights in more and more places around the world and they simply can't fathom their "cattle" being considered equal to them. On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:53:47 AM UTC-4, pluto of brougham wrote: > > Keith, as you well know, the strict marriage vows in both our faith and I > daresay amongst the jews as well, is that a woman shall faithfully "serve, > honour and obey" her husband, I know that now they say whatever they like, > however, do you honestly think that in most cases, throughout history, > women did that. Let me advance the possibility that even if they follow > strict Sharia law, most women living in our 1st world countries have a mind > of their own, leastways the few that I've ever met were extremely > independent and very well educated and most definitely not subservient to > their husbands. Of course, in a Moslem country I have no doubt that the > reverse would be the case. > > > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PoliticalForum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
