It was not an entirely capitalist country either... On Nov 6, 5:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you say... > > That doesn't mean I have to stick around and watch you and yours > destroy a Country I once Loved. > > Good luck with your new Socialist experiment, you're going to need it. > > By the way... > > You may try doing a little "Study", for yourself, and try looking at > what form of Economy and Government has produced the Greatest Wealth > the Word has ever seen. > > I guarantee you it isn't Socialism. > > On Nov 6, 1:04 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Call it what you want, but it is a train of change that cannot be > > stopped. > > > On Nov 6, 5:03 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > i do it in my personal life and in the voting booth. > > > > On Nov 6, 5:02 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I am not failing. Neither are any of my close friends and associates. > > > > None of us are on welfare. None of us are junkies, vagrants, or > > > > criminals. We just don't look down on people who need our help. We > > > > offer them a hand, and once they're on their feet, we say, "Welcome to > > > > the club, brother. I'm glad you could be here." > > > > > On Nov 6, 5:00 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, yeah... > > > > > > It is always Societies fault that People like you fail, I get it. > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:57 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The Family? In a society where we systematically tear down families > > > > > > by > > > > > > jailing the males of entire communities who are just trying to > > > > > > provide > > > > > > for theirs in an atmosphere that sets them up for failure from the > > > > > > beginning of life? Some people can rise up, yes, but i cannot expect > > > > > > every last soul to be that strong. > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:54 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow. > > > > > > > > And I suppose you really believe such shit? > > > > > > > > The Family is, and always will be the main place people should > > > > > > > look to > > > > > > > for such comforts. > > > > > > > > That Loony Liberals, like you, have replaced the Family with the > > > > > > > Government doesn't surprise me at all. > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:52 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > WELCOME TO 2008! If this were 1888, we could argue that we can > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > take care of ourselves, but it is not and the fact of the > > > > > > > > matter is if > > > > > > > > we took that Darwinist approach, there would be 300+ million > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > scrambling for resources that cannot possible support us all > > > > > > > > without a > > > > > > > > giant body to oversee their distribution and preservation. > > > > > > > > Watch a > > > > > > > > movie called "Off the Grid" about a community in New Mexico > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > people just do what they want and answer to no one. They get > > > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > fine, but I sure as hell don't want to live there. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:48 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > WAKE UP! to function in this modern society our government > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > take on tasks that are too large or too unprofitable for > > > > > > > > > citizens to > > > > > > > > > take on. EXAMPLES: Public Transportation, Public Schools, > > > > > > > > > HEALTH CARE > > > > > > > > > FOR EVERYONE. If we truly live in the greatest country in the > > > > > > > > > world, I > > > > > > > > > don't see how these are outside the realm of reasonable > > > > > > > > > expectation. > > > > > > > > > AND YES, SOME WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE THAN OTHERS > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:45 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL > > > > > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So nothing should ever be mandated by the government? You > > > > > > > > > > sound like a > > > > > > > > > > five year old. "I don't need to listen to anybody, i can do > > > > > > > > > > whatever i > > > > > > > > > > want. No, I won't share my toys." > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am all for Charity... > > > > > > > > > > > > It is when you try to mandate it that I have a pronlem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:41 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL > > > > > > > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. BUT THE REFUSAL TO CONSIDER > > > > > > > > > > > > ANY KIND OF > > > > > > > > > > > > SOCIAL REFORM FOR FEAR OF "SOCIALISTS" IS IRRESPONSIBLE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU IGNORANCE NOTWITHSTANDING > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:39 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socialism and Charity are NOT the same thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:29 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this recently in another thread, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decided to give it its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own section so everyone can take a look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my city we have a program called the Kalamazoo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Promise. Wealthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > families from Kalamazoo who were grateful for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city and its people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that helped create their wealth, helped shape their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > character, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helped raise their children donated tens of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of dollars to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fund that gives a FREE college education to ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate of Kalamazoo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Public Schools that chooses to go to any publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > funded school in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan. In a few short years the program has been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widly successful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and popular, giving record numbers of poor and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minority students, who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have no college fund and maybe not the grades to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a free ride, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance to go to college. It also pays for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schooling of rich white > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students on the west side of town who get BMW's for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presents and have had mutual funds in their names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since they were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fetuses. (That is called equality.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this program is the envy of every school > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district in the state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and many have made plans for future county ballot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proposals that would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raise property taxes to create similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organizations that are publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > funded in order to produce the same spectacular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Socialism" is always bad, eh? You wouldn't pay an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extra $85 a year or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so on your house to ensure that every child in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district you live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in has a fair shake at higher education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way I see it, it is an investment in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future, and one we cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afford to pass up. But had a private organization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > headed by the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stryker and Upjohn families not done it first, we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would've never known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a program like this could be so good, mostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because selfish assholes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like Gaar are too concerned with stroking their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > egos and throwing out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buzzwords to scare people to actually give a shit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to DO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SOMETHING to better the lives of the people in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their country and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be brave, Gaar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have faith in your neighbor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love your country, and wish it well no matter whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in charge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start loving yourself by loving others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good thoughts breed good actions. Good actions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > breed good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Owners of two capitalistic profit loving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > corporations walked this walk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and made a difference that can never be measured in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dividends and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profits, for the joy of the grateful recipients is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know every word of this post will be picked apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the bitter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shades who eternally haunt the reasonable folk in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this forum, but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invite them to come to Kalamazoo, talk to everyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > citizens of every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > color, age, religion, creed, political affiliation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and social > > > > > > > > > > > > > > background and see what a difference a Promise can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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