Sure glad Mark isn't my Attorney...

On Nov 7, 8:33 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tax information, both federal and state, is not a public record. It is
> not disclosed unless:
>
>  The taxpayer is part of a court proceeding where tax issues are
> relevant
>  A government agency is trying to locate a parent who owes child
> support payments
>  State financial aid programs have been requested
>   It is for statistical use
>  Agencies request tax information for the purpose of tax
> administration
>
> http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs11-pub.htm
>
> On Nov 7, 8:26 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 11/7/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Are they?
>
> > > Are Child Support payments Public Records?
>
> > In several states, yes. they post the deadbeat dad lists. not surprised you
> > don't know that.
>
> > Are your Tax Records Public?
>
> > yes, they are shared between several departments. I can get yours if i
> > wanted too and if you wanted you could get mine.... FOIA
>
> > If so, why do Candidates have to "release" them to the Public in order
>
> > > for us to see them?
>
> > define "them"
>
> > And there are Laws about Public Servants using Public funds in this
>
> > > manner...
>
> > yes, and that, old son, is the point made..... these "ststutes have been
> > broken and requires "criminal" prosecution. not a matter that the ACLU
> > covers.
>
> > Why do you suppose there is an Investigation into what was looked at?
>
> > because criminal laws were broken.... why do you think there is one??
>
> > If they are Public Records, why do you suppose they would have to do
>
> > > that?
>
> > all i have to do is fale a FOIA request with a well founded reason to get
> > these records.
>
> > They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.
>
> > > On Nov 7, 7:59 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > weren't those "public" records???
>
> > > > On Nov 7, 9:32 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Right to Privacy is in fact a Civil Right.
>
> > > > > Regardless of your ignorance on the matter.
>
> > > > > On Nov 7, 4:43 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > first of all if that happened it isn't a constitutional or civil
> > > > > > rights matter .
>
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 5:05 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Why do you suppose the ACLU isn't looking into the Privacy Abuses
> > > > > > > against Joe the Plumber by Liberal Office holders, which may have
> > > > > > > broken the Law?
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 1:52 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > we shall see if that is correct or not .
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 4:09 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > These idiots are typical of bankrupt middle-class
> > > psuedo-intellectals.
> > > > > > > > > The rule of law no longer applies in times of political and
> > > economic
> > > > > > > > > crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > > Obama's will not repeal one ant-democratic law as he supports
> > > them as
> > > > > > > > > integral in fighting the war on terror. He hasn't mentioned
> > > these laws
> > > > > > > > > once in his campaign, because they are not an issue, they are
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > remain.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 7:48 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > From the Desk of Anthony D. Romero, ACLU
> > > > > > > > > > Read the ACLU's "Actions for Restoring America"
> > >http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=dJlk6eJ9WuFCahyr-YvIxw..
> > > > > > > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > Dear ACLU Supporter,
>
> > > > > > > > > > Barack Obama's victory gives all of us who care about 
> > > > > > > > > > liberty
> > > a
> > > > > > > > > > real opportunity to restore the Constitution and move 
> > > > > > > > > > freedom
> > > > > > > > > > forward.
> > > > > > > > > > Now it's up to us. And, the ACLU is ready to get to work.
>
> > > > > > > > > > For months, ACLU attorneys, policy experts and legislative
> > > advocates
> > > > > > > > > > -- the very same people who have fought tooth and nail to
> > > defend
> > > > > > > > > > freedom over the last eight years -- have been developing
> > > "Actions
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > Restoring America." It's our blueprint for freedom, spelling
> > > out
> > > > > > > > > > the specific actions that our new President must take to
> > > launch a
> > > > > > > > > > restoration of American values and to convey a clear
> > > rejection of the
> > > > > > > > > > shameful policies of the Bush era.
>
> > > > > > > > > > This document is already in the hands of members of the 
> > > > > > > > > > Obama
> > > > > > > > > > transition team. And we want to get it in your hands, too,
> > > because
> > > > > > > > > > we'll be calling on you to help us get it done.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Download your personal copy of the ACLU's Actions for
> > > Restoring
> > > > > > > > > > America blueprint.
> > >http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=Bmo1nWpvOKVo6prU9M6QKw..
>
> > > > > > > > > > I hope you will take the time to read our blueprint for
> > > moving
> > > > > > > > > > freedom
> > > > > > > > > > forward. It details the steps we'll be calling on Barack
> > > Obama
> > > > > > > > > > to take as he begins his historic presidency including
> > > vitally
> > > > > > > > > > important actions he can take on his first day in office 
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > stroke of a pen.
>
> > > > > > > > > > But the ACLU's Actions for Restoring America isn't just a
> > > > > > > > > > plan of action for Barack Obama. It's a call to action for
> > > you
> > > > > > > > > > and every other member of the ACLU community. And we've
> > > broken
> > > > > > > > > > it up into three areas:
> > > > > > > > > > *  First Day: Actions the President can take with the stroke
> > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > pen on the first day in office.
> > > > > > > > > > *  First 100 Days: Actions the President and his
> > > administration can
> > > > > > > > > > take in the first 100 days in office.
> > > > > > > > > > *  First Year: Actions the President and Congress can take 
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > first year.
>
> > > > > > > > > > You have helped stand up for the Constitution and the rule 
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > law
> > > > > > > > > > through periods of enormous challenge. Now, as we enter a
> > > more
> > > > > > > > > > hopeful
> > > > > > > > > > period in the life of our nation, we need you to demonstrate
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > commitment to moving freedom forward and restoring America's
> > > > > > > > > > reputation.
>
> > > > > > > > > > As our blueprint makes clear: decisive action by our new
> > > leaders is
> > > > > > > > > > not just a question of opportunity. It's a matter of
> > > necessity.
> > > > > > > > > > And the feistiness, passion and commitment of ACLU 
> > > > > > > > > > supporters
> > > like
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > will be more critical to the future of freedom than ever.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I know I speak for all of my ACLU colleagues in telling you
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > we're excited to be entering this new era, eager to seize
> > > every
> > > > > > > > > > opportunity for progress, and honored to be working by your
> > > side at
> > > > > > > > > > such a pivotal period for freedom, justice and equality.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > > > > > > > Anthony D. Romero
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> > Mark M. Kahle
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