True Dat Brine!
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok, so if it ain't yer no drinkin' no dancin' Baptists they are all shit
> ... HA FUCKIN HA!!! You are so funny and predictable!!! If it ain't your
> version, it's bad!!! LOL!!!
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> The Unitarians, the Metropolitan Community Church, and the Unity Church
>> are all bogus. They're a bunch of far left secular progressive zealots who
>> worship the "Mother-Father-God" and that Pizza God you used to bring up.
>>
>> The Episcopalians are reeling, and have almost divided because of the
>> controversy. The few Episcopalian Churches who have adopted the
>> redefinition of marriage are in a quandary, and will most likely leave the
>> Body of the Denomination.
>>
>> I am unfamiliar with the Quakers and what their position is on the
>> redefinition of marriage.
>>
>> Jews? HaHaHaHaHaHa! Maybe Plain Ol'....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Such a limited experience you must have with religion, here's what a
>>> quick google search found,they sure don't seem like some odd sects tom!!!
>>>
>>> *Faiths Allowing Same-Sex Marriages *
>>>
>>> - *United Church of Christ:* The United Church of Christ was the
>>> first mainstream Christian church to fully support same-sex marriage and
>>> perform marriage ceremonies.
>>> - *Jewish:* Reform Judaism embraces same-sex marriage and rabbis can
>>> perform ceremonies. Some conservative and re-constructionist synagogues
>>> do as well.
>>> - *Quaker: The willingness to perform gay marriages varies by
>>> meetinghouse, but there is some acceptance and performance of same-sex
>>> marriages among Quakers. *
>>> - *Metropolitan Community Church*
>>> - *Unitarian Universalist*
>>> - *Unity Church*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Faiths Allowing Limited Same-Sex Marriage *
>>>
>>> - *Episcopal:* In the Episcopal Church, priests are authorized to
>>> bless same-sex wedding ceremonies but not declare the marriage official
>>> or
>>> sign the marriage license. Certain dioceses can perform full marriage
>>> ceremonies.
>>> - *Lutheran:* Lutheran churches can decide, on a church-by-church
>>> basis, whether or not to perform same-sex marriage.
>>>
>>> *Faiths Disallowing Same-Sex Marriages *
>>>
>>> - *Baptists:* Southern Baptist and Conservative Baptist churches
>>> will not conduct same-sex marriages, nor will they allow them to be held
>>> in
>>> their churches. Some American Baptist churches are open and inclusive.
>>> - *Methodist*
>>> - *Catholic*
>>> - *Presbyterian (some will bless ceremonies)*
>>>
>>> In addition, I do not know of any Eastern religions which sanction gay
>>> marriage and perform same-sex marriage ceremonies.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, there's really no legitimate Christian denomination that
>>>> acknowledges the redefinition of marriage Brine; that's far left bull
>>>> hockey. There's a few "Pseudo-Churches" that may have in fact been created
>>>> for the purpose of acknowledging the redefinition of marriage; but no real
>>>> Christian denomination; no Jewish Synagogue; nor any Muslim Mosques that I
>>>> am aware of will acknowledge the redefinition of marriage as being
>>>> sacrosanct.
>>>>
>>>> As you and I have often discussed in the past, marriage is an
>>>> ecclesiastical function; despite the civil trappings; the hijacking of the
>>>> term by local and State governments; and now the redefinition of the term
>>>> by the federal government. The first States, (Connecticut and California)
>>>> that got into the marriage business was to prevent miscegenation; and
>>>> later...Probably rightfully because of the high rates of divorce; the
>>>> contractual aspects of a marriage, and the profit centers for the State and
>>>> local governments; all States adopted the civil "licensing" of marriage.
>>>> To add a layer of discombobulation, back 90, 125-140 years ago when the
>>>> States first started getting into the marriage license business, no one
>>>> ever gave the prospect of redefining the concept of marriage a first or
>>>> second thought. The concept of same sex marriage was not even a concept
>>>> much less an idea or a proposal. Marriage was only between a husband and a
>>>> wife, period.
>>>>
>>>> So, in a nutshell, the States, local governments, and the American
>>>> People in general labeled and branded "Civil Union" as, "Marriage"; for
>>>> simplification and for expedience. Make no mistake, this has turned out to
>>>> be a tragedy and something that I think will eventually be addressed, and
>>>> shortly.
>>>>
>>>> You and I are not really at odds on this subject Brine! I believe in
>>>> civil unions for anyone who wishes to join in a monogamous relationship
>>>> with another.
>>>>
>>>> I do have a strong opposition to the redefinition of the term,
>>>> "Marriage".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As long as there is governmental sanction legal marriages, same sex
>>>>> marriage should be a legal right!!! As I have stated in the past,
>>>>> religious
>>>>> marriage should not be recognized by the government!! That being said
>>>>> anybody who wants a blessing of their union from their religion, that's
>>>>> fine ... amazingly enough there are many Christian denominations that will
>>>>> do that with same sex marriages!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Keith In Tampa <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Therein you've adopted the redefinition of marriage. There is no
>>>>>> such thing as, "Heterosexual Marriage"; a marriage is between a man and a
>>>>>> woman, and has been for eons....Until our government, against the will of
>>>>>> the majority of people, decided to redefine it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get ready for more headaches:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article139540723.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same-sex legal groundbreaker: Judge says Rock Hill couple married in
>>>>>> S.C. for decades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BY ANDREW DYS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROCK HILL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debra Parks wanted to be treated the same as anybody else by the
>>>>>> courts. At 62, she’s disabled, and split from her partner of almost four
>>>>>> decades. She filed a lawsuit because she wanted her relationship, which
>>>>>> ended last year, to be considered a common law marriage under South
>>>>>> Carolina law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parks is gay. But until 2015, same-sex marriage was illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “I was in a same-sex relationship for all those years,” Parks said.
>>>>>> “We owned a house together. We were a family, even when society didn’t
>>>>>> accept it.”
>>>>>> ADVERTISING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, in what legal experts and Parks’ lawyers say is a groundbreaking
>>>>>> case for South Carolina, and possibly for other states with common law
>>>>>> marriage, a Family Court judge in York County has ruled that Parks and
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> former partner had a common law marriage under state law. And the state
>>>>>> must recognize that their common law marriage has been legal for almost
>>>>>> 30
>>>>>> years, the judge ruled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ruling means same-sex couples now have the same rights as
>>>>>> heterosexual married couples, experts say. Those rights include alimony,
>>>>>> health insurance, taxes, the division of property and others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ruling immediately becomes a legal precedent, and has the
>>>>>> potential to impact thousands of people in same sex relationships,
>>>>>> experts
>>>>>> and Parks’ lawyers say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ruling states a same sex marriage can be a common law marriage,
>>>>>> and backdates the period of effect to the beginning of the common law
>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The order from Family Court Judge Thomas White states that, before
>>>>>> the ban on same sex marriage was lifted in 2015 by a U.S. Supreme Court
>>>>>> ruling, there were no other South Carolina cases addressing same sex
>>>>>> marriage, whether licensed or common law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Quoting William Shakespeare, ‘A rose by any other name would smell
>>>>>> as sweet,’” White wrote. “The law established by the U.S. Supreme Court
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Obergefell (the supreme court case overturning the gay marriage ban)
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be applied retroactively in South Carolina.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> South Carolina allowed legal gay marriages in November 2015.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ruling is the correct legal ruling to protect spouses of the same
>>>>>> sex, now that the same sex marriage ban has been ruled to be illegal and
>>>>>> discriminatory, legal experts say. Common law marriage is a marriage
>>>>>> without ceremony or license but includes the other aspects of a marriage
>>>>>> such as living together and joint property.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “This is definitely new,” said Marcia Zug, a family law and marriage
>>>>>> law expert and professor at the University of South Carolina law school.
>>>>>> “It is the first of its kind. And not only is it a new decision. It is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right decision.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Zug said the ruling seems to be morally and equitably right and
>>>>>> addresses fundamental fairness, yet could face a legal challenge because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is a new ruling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “The judge wants to be on the right side of history. It is a fact
>>>>>> that for all those years America did not let (same sex couples) get
>>>>>> married,” Zug said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> South Carolina is one of eight states that recognize common law
>>>>>> marriage, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures Web
>>>>>> site. Parks’ lawyers, Jim Tucker and David Martin of Rock Hill, said the
>>>>>> case is important because same sex marriages were not recognized until
>>>>>> 2015
>>>>>> and left an entire group of people “out in the cold” without the
>>>>>> protections the law provides to heterosexual couples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “This is the first one we are aware of in South Carolina and
>>>>>> nationally where a case was tried and had a judge determine that the
>>>>>> common
>>>>>> law marriage was valid,” Martin said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tucker said the other part of the ruling that is equally important is
>>>>>> that it’s retroactive. Before this ruling in York County, gay people in
>>>>>> common law marriages had no recourse under the law to seek relief after a
>>>>>> breakup, Tucker said, and the years of relationship were not recognized
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> any court.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The order states that Parks’ common law marriage is retroactive to
>>>>>> the time when Parks divorced her husband while already living with her
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> sex partner. As a young adult Parks was married to a man and had two
>>>>>> children. She and her female partner became a couple in 1977. In 1987
>>>>>> Parks
>>>>>> divorced her husband, the order states, and the common law marriage
>>>>>> began.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Susan Dunn, legal director of the South Carolina American Civil
>>>>>> Liberties Union, said the ruling is the first of its kind in the state
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> knows of. Yet the retroactive part of the ruling might face the toughest
>>>>>> legal challenge, Dunn said, because there is no other case to compare it
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “This is new,” Dunn said. “And important.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parks and her partner split up last year, testimony showed. Parks
>>>>>> filed the suit so she so could seek a division of property and spousal
>>>>>> support. But her former partner fought the lawsuit, saying she never
>>>>>> asked
>>>>>> Parks to marry and never intended to be married, court documents show.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> partner said, both she and Parks were free to leave the relationship at
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> time, court documents show. The partner argued she did not consider the
>>>>>> relationship marital, court documents show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spousal support part has not yet been ruled on but will be heard
>>>>>> in the coming weeks, Tucker said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parks’ former partner cannot appeal the ruling until the second part
>>>>>> of the case concerning assets is finished, Tucker said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Herald is not naming Parks’ former partner because court
>>>>>> documents show the woman is worried about negative repercussions on her
>>>>>> job
>>>>>> and at the Catholic church she attends. The lawyer for Parks’ former
>>>>>> partner declined comment on her behalf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> White’s decision is not surprising, said Miller Shealy, a professor
>>>>>> at the Charleston School of Law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Once the courts recognized same sex marriage, everything else from
>>>>>> the marriage follows including rights of the parties,” Shealy said. “That
>>>>>> includes marital property, alimony, divorce, all of it...It is clear all
>>>>>> rights and duties of marriage now apply to same sex couples.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gay couples have became more socially acceptable over time, but for
>>>>>> years the couple’s seemingly obvious relationship was shielded, White’s
>>>>>> order said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Non-acceptance of homosexuality and same-sex relationships was the
>>>>>> prevailing environment and atmosphere of the community at large during
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> majority of the parties’ cohabitation,” White wrote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The couple was monogamous, court documents show, and clearly held
>>>>>> themselves out as married to some friends and family -- even if some
>>>>>> family
>>>>>> objected. In a court hearing Parks’ family, including one of her grown
>>>>>> children, testified that Parks and her partner were “just like any
>>>>>> married
>>>>>> couple.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Current York County property records show Parks and her former
>>>>>> partner listed as owners of the home they bought in Rock Hill. Parks and
>>>>>> her partner also bought other property together, had joint bank accounts,
>>>>>> used each other on tax documents, and lived together until 2016, court
>>>>>> documents show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “I want people in my situation to know they do have rights, and can
>>>>>> get help,” Parks said. “We were married.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew Dys: 803-329-4065, @AndrewDysHerald
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/AndrewDysHerald>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/ne
>>>>>> ws/local/article139540723.html#storylink=cpy
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/AndrewDysHerald>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> expose their kids to such depravity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is how you perceive it, many people understand there are all
>>>>>>> kinds of people with different relationships out there ... if
>>>>>>> heterosexual
>>>>>>> marriage was so good, why do more than half of them end in divorce!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Regan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no need to do anything other than inform people of the
>>>>>>>> content and message. Then they can decide whether to go spend their
>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> earned dollars on it and expose their kids to such depravity. Disney
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> cares about profit, they don't give a crap about "Promoting equality
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> diversity": itself a mindless statement devoid of any substance or
>>>>>>>> intellectual scrutiny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid*
>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2017 4:48 PM, ImStillMags Mags <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You were very happy when Disney touted "morality" that agrees with
>>>>>>>> your views of the world, which they have done since the beginning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now you're not happy when Disney holds up ethics and morality you
>>>>>>>> deem unacceptable, like acceptance of people as they are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said, your problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you want to do about it? Control what Disney does? Make
>>>>>>>> laws against Disney? Force Disney to only produce what YOU deem
>>>>>>>> acceptable?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 1:07:23 PM UTC-7, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll go back to my original post, which is accurate, supported by
>>>>>>>> the articles I posted and even to the article that you attempted to
>>>>>>>> post
>>>>>>>> but didn't read:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *"I'm aggravated that Disney feels the need to direct our moral
>>>>>>>> compass and generate what ethical standards should be in Western
>>>>>>>> Society."*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You should be too, unless you're an Anti-American who wishes to see
>>>>>>>> our Nation become a third world or fourth world Nation-State.....Which
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> is it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:04 PM, ImStillMags Mags <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you are tired of posting articles about how Disney touted
>>>>>>>> morals in the past maybe you can re read my sentence that Disney has
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> doing this for eons. Of course back then it was "acceptable" if the
>>>>>>>> morality Disney touted agreed with you. Now, if you don't like the
>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>> that Disney is promoting equality and diversity.....that's your
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 11:09:22 AM UTC-7, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Mags!
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