I don't know his stance on Vietnam. I think the USA is burdened with old empires.// Sometimes it is worse to know your "friends".
On Nov 11, 6:38�pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chompsky is one of the Loony Liberals main "Intellectual"... > > Know thy Enemy. > > On Nov 11, 4:13�pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I haven't read Chomsky- I think he's a linquistics professor and > > critic of Israel policy.//WWII was the second chapter of WWI and the > > preface of European rivalry and colonialism centuries before. Like the > > Middle East is a hangover. Asia, included.// I would drop out of > > Chomsky as I did my own late M.A. linquistics course since nonsense > > sounded more poetic! :-)//Read Buber- "I - Thou" and hope/assume it > > made an impact but since my majors and split minors required so many > > texts, I am not sure. lol My brain may be a swamp!!! > > > On Nov 11, 6:02 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Oh, ok... > > > > That makes it ok for Intellectuals to have been so wrong about it > > > then. > > > > Not. > > > > There are many, many more examples of this... > > > > Just look to some of the things Noam Chompsky has said and predicted. > > > > On Nov 11, 3:52 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think 13 million were killed in the Holocaust. 6 million were Jews. > > > > The Russians killed millions and lost millions. The Pacifc saw > > > > hundreds of thousands- maybe millions there too. After a while, the > > > > mind cannot add the figures.// Obama could learn a few lessons from > > > > Truman but I think he enjoys being a cool cat and intellectual and > > > > will not give it up easily unless circumstances force him to be a > > > > practical problem solver. The choice of Emanuel leads me to believe he > > > > doesn't want to get his hands dirty which jibes with his academic, > > > > legislative and candidate behavior so far. We'll see. > > > > > On Nov 11, 5:20 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > From: Travis > > > > > Subject: "Intellectuals" > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, > > > > > > *"Intellectuals" > > > > > *Thomas Sowell > > > > > Tuesday, November 11, 2008 > > > > > > Among the many wonders to be expected from an Obama administration, if > > > > > Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times is to be believed, is > > > > > ending "the > > > > > anti-intellectualis m that has long been a strain in American life." > > > > > > He cited Adlai Stevenson, the suave and debonair governor of > > > > > Illinois, who > > > > > twice ran for president against Eisenhower in the 1950s, as an > > > > > example of an > > > > > intellectual in politics. > > > > > > Intellectuals, according to Mr. Kristof, are people who are > > > > > "interested in > > > > > ideas and comfortable with complexity," people who "read the > > > > > classics." > > > > > > It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry. > > > > > > Adlai Stevenson was certainly regarded as an intellectual by > > > > > intellectuals > > > > > in the 1950s. But, half a century later, facts paint a very different > > > > > picture. > > > > > > Historian Michael Beschloss, among others, has noted that Stevenson > > > > > "could > > > > > go quite happily for months or years without picking up a book." But > > > > > Stevenson had the airs of an intellectual -- the form, rather than the > > > > > substance. > > > > > > What is more telling, form was enough to impress the intellectuals, > > > > > not only > > > > > then but even now, years after the facts have been revealed, though > > > > > apparently not to Mr. Kristof. > > > > > > That is one of many reasons why intellectuals are not taken as > > > > > seriously by > > > > > others as they take themselves. > > > > > > As for reading the classics, President Harry Truman, whom no one > > > > > thought of > > > > > as an intellectual, was a voracious reader of heavyweight stuff like > > > > > Thucydides and read Cicero in the original Latin. When Chief Justice > > > > > Carl > > > > > Vinson quoted in Latin, Truman was able to correct him. > > > > > > Yet intellectuals tended to think of the unpretentious and > > > > > plain-spoken > > > > > Truman as little more than a country bumpkin. > > > > > > Similarly, no one ever thought of President Calvin Coolidge as an > > > > > intellectual. Yet Coolidge also read the classics in the White House. > > > > > He > > > > > read both Latin and Greek, and read Dante in the original Italian, > > > > > since he > > > > > spoke several languages. It was said that the taciturn Coolidge could > > > > > be > > > > > silent in five different languages. > > > > > > The intellectual levels of politicians are just one of the many > > > > > things that > > > > > intellectuals have grossly misjudged for years on end. > > > > > > During the 1930s, some of the leading intellectuals in America > > > > > condemned our > > > > > economic system and pointed to the centrally planned Soviet economy > > > > > as a > > > > > model-- all this at a time when literally millions of people were > > > > > starving > > > > > to death in the Soviet Union, from a famine in a country with some of > > > > > the > > > > > richest farmland in Europe and historically a large exporter of food. > > > > > > New York Times Moscow correspondent Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer > > > > > Prize for > > > > > telling the intelligentsia what they wanted to hear-- that claims of > > > > > starvation in the Ukraine were false. > > > > > > After British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge reported from the Ukraine > > > > > on the > > > > > massive deaths from starvation there, he was ostracized after > > > > > returning to > > > > > England and unable to find a job. > > > > > > More than half a century later, when the archives of the Soviet Union > > > > > were > > > > > finally opened up under Mikhail Gorbachev, it turned out that about > > > > > six > > > > > million people had died in that famine-- about the same number as the > > > > > people > > > > > killed in Hitler's Holocaust. > > > > > > In the 1930s, it was the intellectuals who pooh-poohed the dangers > > > > > from the > > > > > rise of Hitler and urged Western disarmament. > > > > > > It would be no feat to fill a big book with all the things on which > > > > > intellectuals were grossly mistaken, just in the 20th century-- far > > > > > more so > > > > > than ordinary people. > > > > > > History fully vindicates the late William F. 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