That's it? Ya toss a fluffy marshmellow at me? Don't be a pouf.
James Wilson: Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution Supreme Court Justice appointed by George Washington Spoke 168 times during the Constitutional Convention "Christianity is part of the common law" [Sources: James Wilson, Course of Lectures [vol 3, p.122]; and quoted in Updegraph v. The Commonwealth, 11 Serg, & R. 393, 403 (1824).] On Nov 13, 11:57 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ramakazee, > > What a shame the Constituion had not yet been signed when these > statements were made. Some were made before the United States had even > won it's revolution. The sole exception being George Washington's > farewell speech. Even then he only mentions "religious people" and > does not specify which religion. Guess that wasn't important to him. > Just to help you out in the future the Constituion was signed > 9/17/1787 and the 1st Ammendment, which this conversation is supposed > to be about, was ratified dec. 15, 1791. Anything before that was just > some guys opinion. > > We are ALL "braddah's" in the eyes of God my lad. > > On Nov 13, 11:26 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Lemme help you braddah: > > > George Washington: > > > Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your > > national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, > > more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With > > slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: > > "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national > > morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..." > > > “ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and > > Bible.” > > > “What students would learn in American schools above all is the > > religion of Jesus Christ.” [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May > > 12, 1779] > > > "To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest > > glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, > > 1778, at Valley Forge] > > > Uncle? > > > On Nov 13, 11:08 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Holly, still waiting. > > > > On Nov 13, 7:55 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How many treaties has the US had since its inception? You grab a line > > > > out of one and act as if you've struck gold. > > > > > You've got nothing. Even less then that. > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:49 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Gaar, > > > > > > Too late to save you boy, he's left the field. > > > > > What you are talking about lad is a official document, you know like a > > > > > TREATY, that is ON display. And that document dosen't say a fucking > > > > > thing about religion other than that this country will NOT have an > > > > > official one. Yep, I checked, right there in the First Ammendment. > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:02 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > One of those "diplays" is of the U.S. Constitution... > > > > > > > As many others just quote from it. > > > > > > > Which isn't "U.S. Policy", it should be the Fucking Law of the Land. > > > > > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding. > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > Explain how my comparison of private opinions differ from public > > > > > > > opinions expressed in the capacity as a national office holder is > > > > > > > nonsensical. > > > > > > > > Never been to D.C. Seen pictures, documantaries and movies of > > > > > > > tourists > > > > > > > standing in front of them getting their pictures taken. Symbolism > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the masses, not official statements of U.S policy lad. > > > > > > > > Don't run away, try harder. Your rolling over and giving up like > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Ram's defensive line. LMAO! > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:44 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's only difficult because you argue a nonsensical position. > > > > > > > > > Have you been to DC? "tourist attractions"???. > > > > > > > > > I think you're referring to the Smithsonian's exhibit on Uranus. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:39 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > > > Sure you can, primarily in their PERSONAL LETTERS to friends > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > associates. And i can find as many from other FF's that do > > > > > > > > > not support > > > > > > > > > religion, all depends on WHICH FF I dig up and at WHAT point > > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > Monuments? Tourists attractions lad. NOT official documents > > > > > > > > > stating > > > > > > > > > federal Govt. policy. You understand that a Treaty has to be > > > > > > > > > ratified > > > > > > > > > by Congress, right? > > > > > > > > > Is is beyond you to understand that a man might have a > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > opinion that is quite different from an opinion he might hold > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > public official when his/her decisions might very well impact > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > entire country? Is this too difficult for you to understand? > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:16 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For every "Treaty of Tripoli" snippet you dig up (and I > > > > > > > > > > suspect there > > > > > > > > > > aren't many) I can pull up 10 snippets directly related to > > > > > > > > > > the faith/ > > > > > > > > > > belief/religions the found fathers expressed in other > > > > > > > > > > writings. And > > > > > > > > > > produce 10 pictures of monuments in DC referring to each. > > > > > > > > > > > PS. Of course the Establishment Clause is intended to > > > > > > > > > > prevent the > > > > > > > > > > establishment, by the govt, of any state sponsored > > > > > > > > > > religion. And of > > > > > > > > > > course one is free to chose no religion, but it's not > > > > > > > > > > specifically > > > > > > > > > > stated in the USC, that was my point. > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:39 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me you're not this dense. > > > > > > > > > > > The constituion specifically forbids the establishment of > > > > > > > > > > > ANY state > > > > > > > > > > > religion. Look it up. > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if there IS no officially sanctioned religion that > > > > > > > > > > > means you can > > > > > > > > > > > never be "punished" for not following the "approved" > > > > > > > > > > > religion as no > > > > > > > > > > > such thing exists. That, of course means you are not > > > > > > > > > > > required to > > > > > > > > > > > practice ANY religion. The end result or effect is to > > > > > > > > > > > make one "free" > > > > > > > > > > > from religion is one so chooses. > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a specific religion such as Christianity the > > > > > > > > > > > U.S. Govt. made > > > > > > > > > > > a clear statement in the Treaty of Tripoli signed and > > > > > > > > > > > ratified in 1797 > > > > > > > > > > > "as the Government of the United States is NOT, in any > > > > > > > > > > > sense founded > > > > > > > > > > > on the Christian religion". John Adams was president at > > > > > > > > > > > the time, most > > > > > > > > > > > of our "Founding Fathers" were still living. Just Google > > > > > > > > > > > "treaty of > > > > > > > > > > > Tripoli" if you doubt my word and read the damn thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > That enough help for you? Need more? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:56 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorta, but where is that found? In the freedom of > > > > > > > > > > > > expression clause? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the establishment clause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help a guy out here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 9:14 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It guarantee freedom FROM religion as much as it > > > > > > > > > > > > > guarantees freedom to > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice a given religion of choice. Anyone try to > > > > > > > > > > > > > stop you from > > > > > > > > > > > > > practicing your religion lately? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:53 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try reading the constitution just one time. you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will find that peskt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st amendment that provides for the freedom of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion. all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religions. I realize libs, and nobama will try and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rewrite the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constitution in their pagan image, but as of now it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows for freedom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:05 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these days? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good question ! i don't believe we a religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cleric or evangelical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fanatic setting governmental policy for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > country . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:46 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these days? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aristotle was a good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ading the constitution just one time. > beginning- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >pre-Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:40 am, "mike [move on] 532" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Religion Personal, Not Political > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/Davidow/59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People really have to stop referring to this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > country as a Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation. 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