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----- Original Message ----- From: "Hollywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:17 Subject: Re: Keep Religion Personal, Not Political --. gaar, I mentioned it in the post I quoted. Nothing requires me to post a given comment when, where and how you want me to. Fucking moron. On Nov 12, 7:39 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Understood... > > And I was making the point that these "Displays" and what they say do > in FACT "Represent" U.S. Policy, just by being there. > > THAT is where YOU failed to mention the Freedom OF Religion, given in > our First Amendment, that I am pointing out... > > Try to keep up, Idiot. > > On Nov 12, 5:34 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Gaar, > > > You really are the total OCD hard head. > > I was responding to your statement that I neglected to mention that > > our Constituion is how the people get their right to freely express > > their religion. And i just showed where you were wrong. > > Call it a day Gaar, your getting silly. > > > On Nov 12, 7:22 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmmmm... > > > > You just admitted that some of the displays that YOU say do not > > > profess our "Policy" do in fact profess our Policy. > > > > You are aware of that, right? > > > > I was pointing out that YOU said such things were NOT on display, as > > > you just admitted that they are. > > > > Imagine that. > > > > On Nov 12, 5:18 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Gaar, > > > > > Hollywood post to mark Nov.12th time 9;14am > > > > > And i quote myself "It guarantees freedom from religion as much as > > > > it > > > > guarantees freedom to practice a given religion of choice." End > > > > quote. > > > > > Had enough hard head? > > > > > On Nov 12, 6:41 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > News to me? > > > > > > I just thought I would point it out, since you neglected to > > > > > mention > > > > > it. > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:32 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Gaar, > > > > > > > No shit Sherlock. Or not practice religion. This is fucking news > > > > > > to > > > > > > you or something? What the fuck do you think I've been talking > > > > > > about? > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:54 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The First Amendment is also how People get the Right to Freely > > > > > > > express > > > > > > > their Religion... > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:49 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gaar, > > > > > > > > > Too late to save you boy, he's left the field. > > > > > > > > What you are talking about lad is a official document, you > > > > > > > > know like a > > > > > > > > TREATY, that is ON display. And that document dosen't say a > > > > > > > > fucking > > > > > > > > thing about religion other than that this country will NOT > > > > > > > > have an > > > > > > > > official one. Yep, I checked, right there in the First > > > > > > > > Ammendment. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:02 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One of those "diplays" is of the U.S. Constitution... > > > > > > > > > > As many others just quote from it. > > > > > > > > > > Which isn't "U.S. Policy", it should be the Fucking Law of > > > > > > > > > the Land. > > > > > > > > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > > > > Explain how my comparison of private opinions differ > > > > > > > > > > from public > > > > > > > > > > opinions expressed in the capacity as a national office > > > > > > > > > > holder is > > > > > > > > > > nonsensical. > > > > > > > > > > > Never been to D.C. Seen pictures, documantaries and > > > > > > > > > > movies of tourists > > > > > > > > > > standing in front of them getting their pictures taken. > > > > > > > > > > Symbolism for > > > > > > > > > > the masses, not official statements of U.S policy lad. > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run away, try harder. Your rolling over and giving > > > > > > > > > > up like the > > > > > > > > > > Ram's defensive line. LMAO! > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:44 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's only difficult because you argue a nonsensical > > > > > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you been to DC? "tourist attractions"???. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you're referring to the Smithsonian's exhibit > > > > > > > > > > > on Uranus. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:39 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure you can, primarily in their PERSONAL LETTERS to > > > > > > > > > > > > friends and > > > > > > > > > > > > associates. And i can find as many from other FF's > > > > > > > > > > > > that do not support > > > > > > > > > > > > religion, all depends on WHICH FF I dig up and at > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT point in his > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Monuments? Tourists attractions lad. NOT official > > > > > > > > > > > > documents stating > > > > > > > > > > > > federal Govt. policy. You understand that a Treaty > > > > > > > > > > > > has to be ratified > > > > > > > > > > > > by Congress, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is is beyond you to understand that a man might have > > > > > > > > > > > > a personal > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion that is quite different from an opinion he > > > > > > > > > > > > might hold as a > > > > > > > > > > > > public official when his/her decisions might very > > > > > > > > > > > > well impact on the > > > > > > > > > > > > entire country? Is this too difficult for you to > > > > > > > > > > > > understand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:16 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For every "Treaty of Tripoli" snippet you dig up > > > > > > > > > > > > > (and I suspect there > > > > > > > > > > > > > aren't many) I can pull up 10 snippets directly > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the faith/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > belief/religions the found fathers expressed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > other writings. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > produce 10 pictures of monuments in DC referring > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. Of course the Establishment Clause is intended > > > > > > > > > > > > > to prevent the > > > > > > > > > > > > > establishment, by the govt, of any state sponsored > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion. And of > > > > > > > > > > > > > course one is free to chose no religion, but it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > not specifically > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in the USC, that was my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:39 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakazee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me you're not this dense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The constituion specifically forbids the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > establishment of ANY state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion. Look it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if there IS no officially sanctioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion that means you can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never be "punished" for not following the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "approved" religion as no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such thing exists. That, of course means you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not required to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice ANY religion. The end result or effect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is to make one "free" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from religion is one so chooses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a specific religion such as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity the U.S. Govt. made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a clear statement in the Treaty of Tripoli > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signed and ratified in 1797 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "as the Government of the United States is NOT, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in any sense founded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the Christian religion". John Adams was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > president at the time, most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of our "Founding Fathers" were still living. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just Google "treaty of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tripoli" if you doubt my word and read the damn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That enough help for you? Need more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:56 am, Kamakazee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorta, but where is that found? In the freedom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of expression clause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the establishment clause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help a guy out here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 9:14 am, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It guarantee freedom FROM religion as much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as it guarantees freedom to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice a given religion of choice. Anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to stop you from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practicing your religion lately? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:53 am, mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try reading the constitution just one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. you will find that peskt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st amendment that provides for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freedom of religion. all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religions. I realize libs, and nobama will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try and rewrite the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constitution in their pagan image, but as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of now it allows for freedom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 5:05 am, "mike [move on] 532" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good question ! i don't believe we a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious cleric or evangelical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fanatic setting governmental policy for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the country . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:46 am, rigsy03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So who defines ethical behavior these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days? Aristotle was a good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ading the constitution just one time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >beginning- pre-Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:40 am, "mike [move on] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Religion Personal, Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Political > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/Davidow/59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People really have to stop referring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to this country as a Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation. The founders took great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains to avoid incorporating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references into the Constitution, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even going so far as to state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plainly that no religious test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should ever be considered a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prerequisite for holding office. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere along the line things have > > ... > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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