In the case of the Medal. "Distasteful and dishonorable" is all it takes to prosecute. It is one law I fully support, there aren't many that have no gray areas, this is one.
On 12/22/08, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > There's this: > http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20081207_Ex-N_J__veterans_director_lied_about_war_record.html > > And then there's this: "sure ya are murky. sure ya are. and I am > looking at my Medal of > Honor. " > > If untrue, it is distasteful and dishonorable, but there is a clear > difference between an act of fraud and an offhand comment. > > > On Dec 22, 11:34�am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > "His" is a personal possessive. A medal of Honor belongs forever to > > the person who earned it (only). Plus he used "possession" while > > attempting to berate a decorated Vet. > > > > One of two things about which I have NO humor. > > > > On 12/22/08, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repugnant perhaps, but let's look at it again. He said, in what > > > appears to me to be an offhand manner, that he is looking at his Medal > > > of Honor. No where did he claim that he earned it. Anyone can come > > > into possession of one. I think the comment is too offhand and too > > > vague to cause a great deal of uproar. I can understand why veterans > > > would find the statement offensive, but remember what he said vs. what > > > might be interpreted. > > > Perhaps we should just wait for lower-case mark to explain his comment > > > himself. > > > > > On Dec 22, 9:54 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > WNCS, I am Mark, capitalized and TAO. He is mark and was given > > > > that/those opportunity(ies), retract/apologize. His IP address was > > > > sent. It is positive ID. > > > > > > It is morally repugnant to make the statement he made... joking or not > > > > it is the same as yelling fire in the theater and apologizing later. > > > > (although I'm sure the vets on this board and I would have settled for > > > > that.) He chose his own path. > > > > > > On 12/22/08, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry, I got confused reading the thread for the first time because > > > > > there are two people posting as "mark" (one capitalized and one not), > > > > > and one of those people also using another user name. It's very > > > > > confusing, and at first read I misunderstood who was accusing whom of > > > > > what, sorry! > > > > > But I still say on a "somewhat" anonymous message board, we can never > > > > > be sure who the other person really is. If you checked a list of > > > > > recipients, how could you know he is not one of them? Do you know his > > > > > real name? (If you do, please do not post it.) > > > > > Perhaps he needs to be given the chance to speak up and defend > > > > > himself, and either convince us he's telling the truth, or explain > > > > > that he was being facetious and apologize. > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 9:28 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > yep, i checked the list to be sure (there are under 200 live > > > > > > recipients) plus from his posts in the past I doubt he has even > > > > > > served > > > > > > in the military,, but not sure of that. > > > > > > > > On 12/22/08, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How can you be 100% certain he does not have a Medal of Honor? > > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 9:21 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > yes, but there are certain forms of free speech that are > > > > > > > > prohibited > > > > > > > > > > Yelling Fire in a theater, Talking/joking about bombs in an > > > > > > > > airport > > > > > > > > and claiming to be a medal of honor recipient. I abide by all > > > > > > > > three. > > > > > > > > > > You don"t ?? > > > > > > > > > > and no it was not pushing the "nanny" button. he was told it was > > > > > > > > illegal/immoral, the penalty and fine were listed and an > > > > > > > > opportunity > > > > > > > > to apologize given. He was given the option to do right, he > > > > > > > > chose to > > > > > > > > ignore it and continue the charade. > > > > > > > > > > A better question is do(es) you/he believe in personal > > > > > > > > responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > On 12/22/08, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So you support free speech for yourself but not for others? > > > > > > > > > You are as > > > > > > > > > bad as former member Rasta, who pushed the nanny button all > > > > > > > > > the time. > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 8:55 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > absolutely not, it is sent and recieved. i gave him (as a > > > > > > > > > > responsible > > > > > > > > > > adult) the opportunity to say he didn't mean it, to retract > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > apologize, he chose to be an idiot. I chose to do right by > > > > > > > > > > the blood > > > > > > > > > > in a lot of fields. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/22/08, Florida Cracker 532 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes i know it is ! man i hate to do it . but in all > > > > > > > > > > > fairness i don't > > > > > > > > > > > think he was trying to show disrespect for the C.M.H. he > > > > > > > > > > > was trying to > > > > > > > > > > > show disrespect for me ! I hate to see him get his ass in > > > > > > > > > > > a sling just > > > > > > > > > > > for being stupid and stubborn . is it to late for you to > > > > > > > > > > > reconsider > > > > > > > > > > > and with draw your complaint ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 8:34 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > he's about to. It is taken very seriously. To me there > > > > > > > > > > > > are two things > > > > > > > > > > > > that are seriously out of bounds..... violations of my > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 year old > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter and the medal of honor. Fortunately the > > > > > > > > > > > > government and every > > > > > > > > > > > > man or woman that has ever been in uniform feels tha > > > > > > > > > > > > same way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/22/08, Florida Cracker 532 > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark has never heard of the theft of honor law . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 6:53 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a rather stiff penalty for making that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claim. Offenders can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend up to a year in jail or be fined up to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $100,000 for falsely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming or stating they have recieved the Nations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Highest Award, The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medal of Honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repeat that again and I will personally guarantee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your prosecution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some things that are not to be joked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about. Every man or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > woman who has served their country would back me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO ROOM FOR JOKES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I DEMAND A SINCERE RETRACTION AND APOLOGY TO ALL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE VETS ON THIS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BOARD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 10:03 am, mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure ya are murky. sure ya are. and I am looking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at my Medal of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 7:42 am, Florida Cracker 532 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark you guys really crack me up ! just so you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know i am sitting here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my home office looking at the not one but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two service awards from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Congress of the United States of America > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hanging on my wall next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to my retirement certificate from the U S Navy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . for " Honorable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service in The United States Navy " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and for " outstanding service and loyalty to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the United States of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 7:01 am, mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again murky, I have no need to prove myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to one such as yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as I have said, you having no respect for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the military, either was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drafted and spent your time in the brig, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is just another lie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you have said so many times you actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe it to be true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the military would never accept such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > military hating lib such as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself. not willingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 3:31 am, Florida Cracker 532 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark you already have provided proof in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things you say and post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you have never been in the service . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 7:00 pm, mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need not prove myself to an anti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > military, anti American terrorist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such as yourself, murkey. the only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > military you have been part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were the hitler youth, or perhaps the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young communist movement. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no way they would ever let a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terrorist such as yourself in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our military. never. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 12:18 pm, Florida Cracker 532 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you are mark . you betcha wink > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wink ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 12:07 pm, mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a matter of fact I am a veteran, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and damn proud of our military. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlike murky to says he is a vet, yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does nothing but condemn and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defame the military. the only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > military murky belongs to is the army > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 11:16 am, Florida Cracker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 532 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so what ! and we had already been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Nam five years in 1963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 11:13 am, Travis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am. Army 62-65. In Viet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nam in 63. And yes, that was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >y. > were shooting at us. I saw no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:08 AM, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Florida Cracker 532 < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no he isn't ! and frankly what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he knows about the military > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fill a thimble . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 10:00 am, wncs > > > > ... > > > > read more �- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. 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