Bush's 2002 UN Speech...  Let's see the reasons

1) 12 years failure in compliance with UNSC Chapter VII Resolutions

2) Failure to comply with the 1991 cease fire accord

3) Human Rights abuses of the Iraqi people,

4) Support for terrorism

5) Corrupting the Oil for Food program

6) an unwillingness to have an open and unfettered inspection process
concerning WMD

Clearly Bush lists many reason for removing Saddam...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html

>>> Above all, our principles and our security are challenged today by outlaw 
>>> groups and regimes that accept no law of morality and have no limit to 
>>> their violent ambitions. In the attacks on America a year ago, we saw the 
>>> destructive intentions of our enemies. This threat hides within many 
>>> nations, including my own. In cells and camps, terrorists are plotting 
>>> further destruction, and building new bases for their war against 
>>> civilization. And our greatest fear is that terrorists will find a shortcut 
>>> to their mad ambitions when an outlaw regime supplies them with the 
>>> technologies to kill on a massive scale.

In one place -- in one regime -- we find all these dangers, in their
most lethal and aggressive forms, exactly the kind of aggressive
threat the United Nations was born to confront.

Twelve years ago, Iraq invaded Kuwait without provocation. And the
regime's forces were poised to continue their march to seize other
countries and their resources. Had Saddam Hussein been appeased
instead of stopped, he would have endangered the peace and stability
of the world. Yet this aggression was stopped -- by the might of
coalition forces and the will of the United Nations.

To suspend hostilities, to spare himself, Iraq's dictator accepted a
series of commitments. The terms were clear, to him and to all. And he
agreed to prove he is complying with every one of those obligations.

He has proven instead only his contempt for the United Nations, and
for all his pledges. By breaking every pledge -- by his deceptions,
and by his cruelties -- Saddam Hussein has made the case against
himself.

In 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the Iraqi
regime cease at once the repression of its own people, including the
systematic repression of minorities -- which the Council said,
threatened international peace and security in the region. This demand
goes ignored.

Last year, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights found that Iraq
continues to commit extremely grave violations of human rights, and
that the regime's repression is all pervasive. Tens of thousands of
political opponents and ordinary citizens have been subjected to
arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution, and torture by
beating and burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation, and rape.
Wives are tortured in front of their husbands, children in the
presence of their parents -- and all of these horrors concealed from
the world by the apparatus of a totalitarian state.

In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolutions 686 and 687,
demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and other lands.
Iraq's regime agreed. It broke its promise. Last year the Secretary
General's high-level coordinator for this issue reported that Kuwait,
Saudi, Indian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Bahraini, and
Omani nationals remain unaccounted for -- more than 600 people. One
American pilot is among them.

In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolution 687, demanded
that Iraq renounce all involvement with terrorism, and permit no
terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Iraq's regime agreed. It
broke this promise. In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373,
Iraq continues to shelter and support terrorist organizations that
direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments. Iraqi
dissidents abroad are targeted for murder. In 1993, Iraq attempted to
assassinate the Emir of Kuwait and a former American President. Iraq's
government openly praised the attacks of September the 11th. And al
Qaeda terrorists escaped from Afghanistan and are known to be in Iraq.

In 1991, the Iraqi regime agreed to destroy and stop developing all
weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles, and to prove to
the world it has done so by complying with rigorous inspections. Iraq
has broken every aspect of this fundamental pledge.

>From 1991 to 1995, the Iraqi regime said it had no biological weapons.
After a senior official in its weapons program defected and exposed
this lie, the regime admitted to producing tens of thousands of liters
of anthrax and other deadly biological agents for use with Scud
warheads, aerial bombs, and aircraft spray tanks. U.N. inspectors
believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological
agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three
metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological
weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that
were used for the production of biological weapons.

United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains
stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the
regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing
chemical weapons.

And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it
had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know
now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have
possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its
nuclear program -- weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data,
an accounting of nuclear materials and documentation of foreign
assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians.
It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon.
Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes
used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire
fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a
year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings
between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little
doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons.

Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond
the 150 kilometers permitted by the U.N. Work at testing and
production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range
missiles that it can inflict mass death throughout the region.

In 1990, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, the world imposed economic
sanctions on Iraq. Those sanctions were maintained after the war to
compel the regime's compliance with Security Council resolutions. In
time, Iraq was allowed to use oil revenues to buy food. Saddam Hussein
has subverted this program, working around the sanctions to buy
missile technology and military materials. He blames the suffering of
Iraq's people on the United Nations, even as he uses his oil wealth to
build lavish palaces for himself, and to buy arms for his country. By
refusing to comply with his own agreements, he bears full guilt for
the hunger and misery of innocent Iraqi citizens.

In 1991, Iraq promised U.N. inspectors immediate and unrestricted
access to verify Iraq's commitment to rid itself of weapons of mass
destruction and long-range missiles. Iraq broke this promise, spending
seven years deceiving, evading, and harassing U.N. inspectors before
ceasing cooperation entirely. Just months after the 1991 cease-fire,
the Security Council twice renewed its demand that the Iraqi regime
cooperate fully with inspectors, condemning Iraq's serious violations
of its obligations. The Security Council again renewed that demand in
1994, and twice more in 1996, deploring Iraq's clear violations of its
obligations. The Security Council renewed its demand three more times
in 1997, citing flagrant violations; and three more times in 1998,
calling Iraq's behavior totally unacceptable. And in 1999, the demand
was renewed yet again.

As we meet today, it's been almost four years since the last U.N.
inspectors set foot in Iraq, four years for the Iraqi regime to plan,
and to build, and to test behind the cloak of secrecy.

We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when
inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when
they left? The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one
conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger.
To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this
regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of
the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take.

Delegates to the General Assembly, we have been more than patient.
We've tried sanctions. We've tried the carrot of oil for food, and the
stick of coalition military strikes. But Saddam Hussein has defied all
these efforts and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction.
The first time we may be completely certain he has a -- nuclear
weapons is when, God forbids, he uses one. We owe it to all our
citizens to do everything in our power to prevent that day from
coming.

The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the
United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of
U.N. demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a
test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are
Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside
without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its
founding, or will it be irrelevant?

The United States helped found the United Nations. We want the United
Nations to be effective, and respectful, and successful. We want the
resolutions of the world's most important multilateral body to be
enforced. And right now those resolutions are being unilaterally
subverted by the Iraqi regime. Our partnership of nations can meet the
test before us, by making clear what we now expect of the Iraqi
regime.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately and
unconditionally forswear, disclose, and remove or destroy all weapons
of mass destruction, long-range missiles, and all related material.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all support
for terrorism and act to suppress it, as all states are required to do
by U.N. Security Council resolutions.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of its
civilian population, including Shi'a, Sunnis, Kurds, Turkomans, and
others, again as required by Security Council resolutions.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will release or account for all
Gulf War personnel whose fate is still unknown. It will return the
remains of any who are deceased, return stolen property, accept
liability for losses resulting from the invasion of Kuwait, and fully
cooperate with international efforts to resolve these issues, as
required by Security Council resolutions.

If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all illicit
trade outside the oil-for-food program. It will accept U.N.
administration of funds from that program, to ensure that the money is
used fairly and promptly for the benefit of the Iraqi people.

If all these steps are taken, it will signal a new openness and
accountability in Iraq. And it could open the prospect of the United
Nations helping to build a government that represents all Iraqis -- a
government based on respect for human rights, economic liberty, and
internationally supervised elections.

The United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people; they've
suffered too long in silent captivity. Liberty for the Iraqi people is
a great moral cause, and a great strategic goal. The people of Iraq
deserve it; the security of all nations requires it. Free societies do
not intimidate through cruelty and conquest, and open societies do not
threaten the world with mass murder. The United States supports
political and economic liberty in a unified Iraq.

We can harbor no illusions -- and that's important today to remember.
Saddam Hussein attacked Iran in 1980 and Kuwait in 1990. He's fired
ballistic missiles at Iran and Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Israel. His
regime once ordered the killing of every person between the ages of 15
and 70 in certain Kurdish villages in northern Iraq. He has gassed
many Iranians, and 40 Iraqi villages.

My nation will work with the U.N. Security Council to meet our common
challenge. If Iraq's regime defies us again, the world must move
deliberately, decisively to hold Iraq to account. We will work with
the U.N. Security Council for the necessary resolutions. But the
purposes of the United States should not be doubted. The Security
Council resolutions will be enforced -- the just demands of peace and
security will be met -- or action will be unavoidable. And a regime
that has lost its legitimacy will also lose its power.

Events can turn in one of two ways: If we fail to act in the face of
danger, the people of Iraq will continue to live in brutal submission.
The regime will have new power to bully and dominate and conquer its
neighbors, condemning the Middle East to more years of bloodshed and
fear. The regime will remain unstable -- the region will remain
unstable, with little hope of freedom, and isolated from the progress
of our times. With every step the Iraqi regime takes toward gaining
and deploying the most terrible weapons, our own options to confront
that regime will narrow. And if an emboldened regime were to supply
these weapons to terrorist allies, then the attacks of September the
11th would be a prelude to far greater horrors.

On Dec 23, 8:05 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have read both the UN and Congressional speeches..... what you are
> saying is just as he said.... simply NOT true.
>
> On 12/23/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > If one listened to Bush's pre War speeches, one WOULD hear a multitude
> > of reasons given...  The argument that the MSM simplified the argument
> > for some who refused to look into the matter as nuclear WMD is a
> > circular firing squad that is meant to prevent the obvious fact from
> > being said --- multiple reasons were given many times before the war
> > by Bush, Republicans and Democrats...
>
> > I understand it is convenient to remember a one sided POV and MSM spun
> > Urban Myth  to justify one's reasoning...
>
> > On Dec 23, 12:39 pm, studio <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Dec 23, 10:55 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > That was one reason given to remove Saddam...  And I grant that that
> > > > was based on fault intel...   As our Intel has been faulty for 30+
> > > > years, is that a reason to require 20/20 hindsight to validate ALL
> > > > reasons given...
>
> > > The fact of the matter is; is that it was sold to the American public
> > > as a nuclear threat, where none existed.
> > > Intel custom tailored to fit the fears of the American people.
>
> > > I look forward to enjoying you're defense of validation on faulty
> > > premises
> > > of many other issues.
>
> --
> Mark M. Kahle
> Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me
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