"What is a war criminal? Was not war itself a crime against God and
humanity, and, therefore, were not all those who sanctioned,
engineered, and conducted wars, war criminals? War criminals are not
confined to the Axis Powers alone. Roosevelt and Churchill are no less
war criminals than Hitler and Mussolini. England, America and Russia
have all of them got their hands dyed more or less red - not merely
Germany and Japan."
-Mohandas K. Gandhi


"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism,
when hate for people other than your own comes first." - Charles De
Gaulle

Peace,
Doc

On Jan 16, 6:43 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Next, explain why we thought it our duty to rescue the British and
> French colonial empires. Thank you.
>
> On Jan 16, 6:20 pm, Doc Holliday <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > OpEdNews
>
> > Original Content 
> > athttp://www.opednews.com/articles/When-are-we-going-to-stop-by-W-Chris...
>
> > January 15, 2009
>
> > When are we going to stop being the United States of the AIPAC?
>
> > By W. Christopher Epler (Bill)
>
> > First, let's get some things straight.  The AIPAC doesn't lobby (i.e.,
> > "dictate") for the State of Israel; they lobby ONLY for the lunatic
> > right wing fringe of Israel.  Said differently, they lobby for a
> > gaggle of extremist, billionaire religious fanatics.
>
> >  Israel's Labor Party, for example, is certainly not “represented” by
> > the AIPAC, nor are internet sites like J Street (among MANY others!)
> > who passionately speak for that large and honorable part of the Jewish
> > Community (in and out of Israel) who want to end the bloodshed with
> > diplomacy and compromise – not the rationalized genocide of the AIPAC.
>
> >  This matter would be basically insoluble if the war mongering AIPAC
> > was the true and complete voice of Israel, but the good news is that
> > they aren’t.  Indeed, this incredibly costly smoke-screen illusion is
> > their ultimate power -- not their blood money bribes of nearly our
> > entire government or murder in the name of God “justifications”.
>
> >  If and when Americans finally take it in that a relatively small
> > number of VERY rich and VERY right wing Israeli's are controlling the
> > entire Middle East through their bought and paid for control of
> > America's foreign policy, we should feel an indescribable shame that
> > we have allowed our country to be reduced to an obedient pit bull of a
> > relative handful of elite/fundamentalists from ANOTHER COUNTRY!
>
> >  Surely, once a critical mass of patriotic Americans finally wakes up
> > and sees the "neocon cabal" for what they were (and still are), we
> > will tell them to take their blood money bribes and stick it where the
> > sun doesn't shine.
>
> >  My God, do we still even know how to spell words like morality and
> > rationality (obviously, our mouse-souled congress doesn't!), at the
> > same time we allow ourselves to be bought body and soul by these ultra
> > right wing fanatics?
>
> >  Also, we should also NEVER forget that the State of Israel DIDN'T
> > EVEN EXIST before Palestine was "internationally raped" by paper
> > decrees in 1948 (a carry over of the infinitely arrogant and genocidal
> > “British Empire”) which told them their country was no longer their
> > country, but a host, merely, for (surprise! surprise) “another
> > country”.
>
> >  However, they keep being punished for remembering that fact –
> > although you can be certain that even after a thousand years they will
> > never forget it.
>
> >  The extra layer of this tragic and unending blood bath is that not
> > only does the American Congress bend over on cue for the AIPAC, but
> > this lobby continues to successfully propagandize the B.S. that they
> > are lobbying for the entire State of Israel and the entire Jewish
> > Community.
>
> >  However, they are merely lobbying for THEIR OWN AGENDAS, just like
> > the KKK or skin head fascists would be lobbying for their agendas if
> > they had brainwashed the planet that they are "America's voice".
> > America's voice, hell!  They're just a bunch of immoral barbarians who
> > represent only a miniscule percentage of Americans -- and exactly the
> > same thing is true for the AIPAC
>
> >  Our end of this is to realize that our (DLC = RNC) "government" has
> > mostly sold their souls to the AIPAC, so dealing with this Heart of
> > Darkness is going to have to come from apolitical, activist, patriotic
> > Americans.
>
> >  And oh yes, please don't be taken in by the everlastingly recycled
> > rationalization that unless we let them TOTALLY dictate America's
> > foreign policy, Israel will be pushed into the sea (their favorite
> > image, for some reason).  "Pushed into the sea?"  I think not since
> > they have intimidated our government to load them up with several
> > times over more atomic weaponry than the entire Islamic world
> > combined!
>
> >  Self evidently, Israel should be vigilantly self protective about a
> > nuclear attack, but how realistically probable is such an event, since
> > half the planet would be decimated in  mater of hours if any country
> > was insane enough to attempt it -- thanks to the mountainous
> > stockpiles of “made in America” atomic nukes, etc.
>
> >  Hence, it’s imperative to see that's not the only issue and never has
> > been.  The “other” issue was put into words by someone who objected to
> > a much milder submission of mine that (God forbid!) suggested some
> > real world "diplomacy" instead of this endless, lose/lose carnage.
>
> >  His response (you better sit down for this) was that if the
> > Palestinians really wanted diplomacy, why doesn't another Arab country
> > just take them all into their country?  Duh!
>
> >  So even though before 1948, Palestine was 100% PALESTINE, this self
> > righteous (and haven’t you noticed that all AIPAC “justifications” are
> > always nauseatingly self righteous?) psycho was saying they should all
> > “just leave” so the country can be totally Israel.
>
> >  Well, did the other shoe just drop and is THIS is secret agenda of
> > the AIPAC?
>
> >  Of course, none of this justifies murder in "either direction" (which
> > is what makes it lose/lose for the pitiful political pawns of both
> > groups), but it would be criminally naive to discount a TOTAL take
> > over agenda of Palestine by extremist right wing Israeli's.
>
> >  God willing, once Bush's "kill a Muslim for Christ" insanity no
> > longer gives a green light to the AIPAC, Obama will supply a
> > negotiated level playing field and this tragic horror show will
> > finally come to some kind peaceful and even win/win resolution.
>
> >  And THEN we'll kick the AIPAC out of America’s foreign policy
> > decisions once and for all!  Gee, wouldn't it be nice if AMERICAN'S
> > determined their OWN foreign policy -- not a fraternity of billionaire
> > religious fanatics from another country?
>
> >  How ashamed our genius constitutional forefathers must be of us,
> > since they constructed fire wall after fire wall to keep inviolate the
> > Church and State separation, and here we are caving into exactly what
> > they tried to protect us from -- except it's even worse since our
> > government of elite dem/pug puppets (with courageous exceptions who
> > prove the rule) keeps sucking up to an acronym from another country!
> > Time to kick the bums out.  Time to be AMERICANS again.
>
> >  And time to give our very, very best shot to pouring oil on these
> > infinitely troubled waters.  My God, too much death, too much greed,
> > too much mutual massacre  . . . and too many dead and dying children.
>
> > Enough!  Enough!  Enough!>end
>
> > Peace,
> > Doc
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