On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM, amah abdullah <[email protected]>wrote:
> The Annointed One, > Hamas refuses to recognize the right of the Zionist State of Israel to > exist. It never claimed it wanted to eliminate the Jewish people. > How can you eliminate the "state" without eliminating the people that form it ?? > Hamas leaders and spokesmen make a very clear distinction between > Zionists and Jews. > Please define Zionist without using the word "Jew". > If anyone can obtain evidence of Hamas denying the right of Jews to live > in peace and security on LEGALLY OWNED land anywhere in the world- let them > come foreward. > Dispute this......... "This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them." (Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Bahar, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, April 20, 2007) > It is the Zionist state with it's aparthed policies which steals land, > water, and natural resources from one group of people (the Palestinians) and > gives it to new comers to the land (the Israelis) that Hamas objects to, as > should any fair minded person. > The quote above says you are absolutely wrong. > Nobody was against Jews who came to the Palestine peacefully, bought > property and settled permanently. It was only when the Zionist death squads > (during British rule) started terrorizing and killing the inhabitants of > whole towns (look up "Massacre at Dir Yassin") and the British "gave" > Palestine to the Zionists that the cycle of bloodshed started. > The United nations "gave" the land which had no government to the Israeli Government that legally petitioned for it. > The genocide and ethnic cleansing at the time paved the way for the > establishment of the State of Israel. If this happened in your homeland, you > would be against the state which was established on your home or farm too. > You also would refuse to recognize its right to exist. > Both sides were guilty of these things at that time. Your attempt to say otherwise weakens your arguement. > A truly democratic state would do away with the oppressive Israeli > government and a new nation would be established which would include all > people, regardless of faith, and with equal representation- AFTER the > Palestinian refugees return to their towns, and fair distribution of land > and wealth- AFTER stolen property is returned to its owners. However, would > the Israelis accept such a fair and democratic solution? > Unfortunately for you it has indeed tried this. The West Bank and Gaza are proof of a planned and prolonged attempt to do so. > The Zionist State can not thrive without its system of Apartheid. It > cannot thrive if land and water resources were distributed equally and > fairly to all the inhabitants. It can only thrive by continued systematic > theft of more Palestinian land and building of more settlements on such > stolen land. > In fact the Israelis are removing it's people from many, many large tracts of land to turn it over to the Palestinians. Whole towns have been moved. > So isn't doing away with Israel and replacing it with a true, all > inclusive democracy better for all concerned? > Would you include people in your government that have sworn to destroy it ?? The reverse is also true... how many Israelis are in the palestinian government ??? > Historians agree that for nearly one thousand years under Muslim rule, > people of all faiths living in the Holy Land- Muslims, Christians, AND Jews- > had equal protection of civil and religious rights. Persecution of other > faiths has only occurred under Crusader (not synonymous with Christian) or > Zionist (not Jewish) rule. All three religions coexisted peacefully. It was > only when the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the British took over after WWI > (and promised to "give" the Zionists the land of Palestine-a land which was > not theirs to give) that the bloodshed started. > It was theirs to give as they were the only legal government. > It can therefore be seen that peace in the Middle East is not impossible. > It was actually achieved for long spans in history. It may also be seen that > Religion is not the cause of conflict in the Middle East. For many orthodox > Jews concede the acts of Israel are inhuman and should not be condoned. > Furthermore, Islam has very clear laws regarding protection of life, > property, and freedom of worship of people of all faiths living within a > community. > Show me ONE moslem country that allows open practice of any faith other than Islam. Show any that would or do allow a "call to prayer" and the susequent prayers blasted over a loud speaker so all can hear. > And the reason I think Hamas should be negotiated with is that they are > honest, abide by the above code, and always honor their agreements (despite > Israeli claims, the facts are undeniable that all three ceasefires Hamas had > with Israel were broken by the Israelis). > Like the present cease fire.... Lobbing rockets into Israel during a cease fire is NOT honoring anything. > Their respect for civil liberties had even Secular muslims and Christains > voting for them in 2006. And by the way, Hamas leaders are not professional > military people. > Define Hamas, its leaders and its stated purpose without using any purely Islamic term. > They are Doctors, professors, and teachers who have taken up arms to > fight for their country (much like the revolting American men and boys in > the American War of Independence). > No, people of ALL faiths were present within the US ranks during the Revolution. This is NOT true of Hamas. The Hamas government in Gaza does not even have the support of the Palestinian government in the West Bank. > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:48 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> >> Amah, >> >> No matter the voice or the tone it is written in it is the spoken, >> promised and publicly admitted goal not to reach an agreement with >> Israel but to deny their very existence. Why should they negotiate at >> all ?? What is the lasting benefit ?? Why should the US do anything >> to stop the slaughter when it too is on the Islamic fundamentilist >> list of nations to destroy ?? >> >> Do you have any information that cotradicts my statement ?? >> >> On Feb 4, 1:14 pm, amah abdullah <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Ohio Mark, >> > According to YOUR logic (which is merely a repitition of the >> Israeli's >> > excuse for their unbelievably horrific actions in Gaza), the American >> people >> > would deserve an even worse fate than that of the Gazan people because >> > they elected Bush for a second term. Because the amount of people who >> were >> > killed in Iraq are HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS more than the Israelis killed >> by >> > Hamas. >> > At least Hamas is trying to free their homeland- What is the >> American >> > government's excuse? Or is the life of an American or Israeli more >> valuable >> > than the life of all other human beings? >> > >> > And by the way, OF COURSE it wasn't written by a child. This is a >> style >> > of writing where the author narrates events in the voice of a child in >> order >> > to convey the child's thought and feelings and experiences. But let me >> > assure you, the written word can NEVER fully convey the horrors >> encountered >> > to their fullest. >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ohio mark <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > by voting in a terrorist group as their government the Palestinian >> > > people are now getting what they deserve. you put a fox in charge of >> > > the hen house, and then you are surprised all your chickens are gone. >> > > and I will be willing to bet that this so called letter was not >> > > written by some child, but rather some raghead terrorist sitting at >> > > his computer. >> > >> > > On Feb 2, 12:10 pm, amah abdullah <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Friday, January 30, 2009 A letter from a Palestinian Child to the US >> > > > President< >> > > >> http://justicenownetwork.blogspot.com/2009/01/letter-from-palestinian...> >> > > > < >> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TXr_0o12Tmg/SYPjzj6KOmI/AAAAAAAAAIY/95MYzy6.. >> > > .> >> > > > Precaution: The Palestinian child doesn't have a specific clear >> > > definition >> > > > for terms like "terrorism" and "peace". >> > >> > > > Dear Mr. President, >> > > > First I would like to congratulate you for your new post; I guess it >> is a >> > > > good but tiring job. I want to apologize for not watching your >> inaugural >> > > > ceremony, we have no electricity in Gaza, and moreover, I was busy >> > > dragging >> > > > out the corpses of my family while the ceremony was taking place. I >> heard >> > > it >> > > > was a hell of a ceremony, I wish I could shared the world its joy, >> but >> > > you >> > > > know, it was a bit difficult to feel happy in such circumstances. >> > > > But I heard you after the ceremony, two days later a neighbour came >> to us >> > > > while we were still searching for the corps of my little sister >> carrying >> > > > with him a portable TV. He looked very serious and said: Youth, the >> new >> > > > president of the United States is going to comment on what happened. >> He >> > > said >> > > > that he is optimistic because you assigned someone called Michael >> or… >> > > > Mitchell, something like that. He added that he is a good person. >> Oh, we >> > > > found the corps of my three years old sister, she was completely >> burnt, >> > > my >> > > > twenty one years old cousin fainted, but I remembered my father's >> advice >> > > for >> > > > me: Be a man. I was about to faint while I was pulling out her body >> which >> > > > was stuck under the devastated building and her body started to >> crumble…. >> > > It >> > > > was totally scorched. Before I lose control, I remembered my >> mother's >> > > > suggestion when we were frightened of the loud voice of the Israeli >> > > strikes: >> > > > When you feel frightened try to think of something else. >> > > > Thank you Mr. President, it was your speech that distracted me while >> I >> > > was >> > > > collecting my sister's fragments. I heard you saying: Israel has the >> > > right >> > > > to defend itself… achieving peace in the middle east…. Hamas was >> sending >> > > > rockets ….. democracy … and other words that I cannot remember. I am >> > > sorry >> > > > again, I was striving to concentrate in your speech but the smell of >> my >> > > > sister's body and my fear that I may lose some of it didn't help me >> to >> > > grasp >> > > > what you were saying exactly. I just realised our neighbour's anger >> when >> > > he >> > > > turned the TV off murmuring that he wasted the battery for nothing. >> We >> > > had >> > > > already pulled out the corps of my mother and half of the corps of >> my >> > > > father; we couldn't find the rest of his body. To be frank with you, >> I >> > > never >> > > > thought of addressing any American president, I mean, it goes >> without >> > > saying >> > > > that we are killed with American weapons and taxes. The doctors in >> the >> > > > hospitals said that Americans were experimenting a new weapon called >> DIME >> > > in >> > > > this war, I mean the war on Gaza. We don't talk to the enemy. >> > > > But during the funeral I heard you – on the same TV that belongs to >> the >> > > same >> > > > neighbour who usually turns it off after your speeches cursing his >> stupid >> > > > persistence on wasting the battery - in an interview with an Arab TV >> > > channel >> > > > saying that you want to deliver us a message that America is not our >> > > enemy. >> > > > Oh, I felt responsibility, it seems Mr. President that someone is >> playing >> > > > behind your back, it seems that you don't know that we are killed >> with >> > > your >> > > > weapons, it seems that those who use the veto to protect Israel and >> let >> > > it >> > > > get away with its crimes against us in the security council are just >> > > doing >> > > > this without even telling you, it seems that you don't know that >> your >> > > > country annually pumps a huge amount of money to Israel, well Mr. >> > > President, >> > > > Israel is the enemy, and we didn't choose it. We didn't beg for >> check >> > > > points, we didn't beg for blockage, we didn't beg for cluster bombs, >> > > > phosphorus bombs and this new bomb you are experimenting on us. >> > > > Besides, I heard you saying that you want to achieve peace in the >> Middle >> > > > East; I know, I know, it is us, we are the Middle East. Why Mr. >> > > President? >> > > > Why do you want to achieve more peace in us? We had enough peace; we >> had >> > > > more than enough peace during the last war. Do you want to achieve >> more? >> > > The >> > > > blond woman called Livni said that she wants peace that is why >> Israel >> > > waged >> > > > this aggression on us. I lost my whole family in this peace process. >> And >> > > > those who imposed the blockage on Gaza – during which one of my >> cousins >> > > died >> > > > because of the shortage of medicine – always talk about peace: >> Abbas, >> > > > Fayyad, Mubarak. They are men of peace, exactly like Livni. They did >> all >> > > > what they can to achieve peace, I don't think that you need more >> peace, >> > > do >> > > > you? >> > > > I went to my cousin's home, he also lost all his family, I am in his >> > > custody >> > > > now. He is my all family and I am his only family. He is twenty one >> years >> > > > old as I told you before, he was a student in the faculty of >> medicine, >> > > but >> > > > he was not allowed to graduate, the blockage and the bad >> circumstances >> > > > pushed him to leave the university and work, then he joined the >> > > resistance >> > > > during this last war. He is a Hamas member now. You said you will >> achieve >> > > > peace on them.. in them … within them? Something like that… right? >> > > Anyway, I >> > > > don't remember, I just remember that you want to harm my cousin too >> > > because >> > > > he is a terrorist. I wonder what is wrong with terrorists like my >> cousin. >> > > > He is a very nice guy, you would like him if you meet him. He >> prepares >> > > > breakfast for me, he cooks very delicious smashed eggs, he takes me >> to >> > > > school, he stays all night besides me because I have nightmares >> every >> > > night, >> > > > and when I wake up startled with the frightening nightmare he puts >> his >> > > hand >> > > > on my forehead and recites some verses from the Quran and sing me >> > > beautiful >> > > > songs till I fall asleep again. After school he plays with me soccer >> in >> > > the >> > > > street, he tells me very funny jokes and gorgeous fairy tales, he >> swings >> > > me >> > > > along with his friends whom you call terrorists and I laugh to >> tears. On >> > > my >> > > > neighbour's TV I watched you practicing some terrorism with your >> > > daughters; >> > > > you were playing with them exactly like my cousin plays with me. Why >> > > don't >> > > > you want my cousin to be a good terrorist like you? Why do you want >> to >> > > make >> > > > peace in my country while you all live in terrorism happily? Did we >> annoy >> > > > you Mr. President? We don't even know you, if someone in my district >> did >> > > > anything wrong to you just tell me and I will oblige him to >> apologize for >> > > > you. >> > > > Then you tell us that you are not our enemy! Then who is our enemy >> Mr. >> > > > President? I see, it is the Democratic Republic of Congo. Oho, my >> mother >> > > > used to tell me that I have to lessen my satirical remarks, I am >> sorry >> > > Mr. >> > > > President, but imagine Mr. Obama that you were dragging the corps of >> one >> > > of >> > > > your girls – God forbids – while someone is nagging behind you >> blaming >> > > you >> > > > for the death of your own daughter and never blames the one who >> killed >> > > her, >> > > > on the contrary, he thinks that the murderer's crime is entirely >> > > justified >> > > > and you and your daughter deserve what happened to you, what would >> you >> > > think >> > > > of that guy? Would you think that he is your friend? >> > > > Mr. President, I know that you are "not an Arab but you are a decent >> > > family >> > > > man", but that doesn't mean that those indecent family Arab men, >> women >> > > and >> > > > children deserve to be barbequed. You don't kill people because they >> are >> > > > indecent. By the way, my parents were not Hamas members, truly they >> > > elected >> > > > Hamas, but they didn't work with the resistance. >> > > > My mother was happy with the elections; she said that this is >> democracy. >> > > I >> > > > am very sad that my mother didn't know that democracy means >> destruction; >> > > she >> > > > thought it is a nice thing. Now I know that democracy is like peace, >> they >> > > > both kill families and children. But it is too late; I wish my >> mother >> > > read >> > > > more books to know better than that. >> > > > The whole situation really confuses me, my cousin says that is >> because I >> > > am >> > > > still a child, but I am not a child, I am seven years old and I am a >> man >> > > as >> > > > my father wanted me. Yet I really do not understand when people are >> > > occupied >> > > > what >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> Amah Abdullah >> >> >> >> >> -- Mark M. 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