Keith in Tampa, your sources are all the same 'sources' that rockefeller praised for LYING to cover-up THEIR agenda. Daniel Pipes was appointed by bush to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace.
You sure have spent a lot of time PROTECTING AND DEFENDING WAR CRIMINALS with their own propaganda. LYING about the blockades, checkpoints, BULLDOZERS, and genocide - does NOT correct the crimes. your LIES do not give us back the $ israel stole from the pentagon nor replaces the towers they took away from NYC. mr. "propagandist" says "no basis for this thread": http://americanbuilt.us/videos/israeli-occupation.shtml http://americanbuilt.us/war-criminals/ ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS, ISRAEL IS GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES IN GAZA. PERIOD. ISRAEL TRIED TO ASSASSINATE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN GAZA. http://americanbuilt.us/patriots/cynthia-mckinney.shtml in the USA: CRIMINALS who aid and abed WAR CRIMINALS, are also guilty of their CRIMES. is that really a cauldron you want to climb into, Keith? On Feb 8, 11:30 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Geez, where to start..... > > I am going to take my "diplomatic" hat off for a moment...It is obvious > that Mah Mah Radwaan, Amah Abdullah, and AmericanBuilt.us, all come to the > table with an agenda. > > First, to correct American Built's biased and incorrect rhetoric, and as > Mark pointed out, the Geneva Convention IV of 1949, which is a part and > parcel of the Geneva Treatise, specifically ban hospitals from being > utilized for "acts harmful to the enemy." > > *"The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease > UNLESS they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts > harmful to the enemy."* > ** > *See* Article 19. > > http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/geneva07.asp > > I strongly encourage you to read Articles 68, *et. seq*. which clearly shows > that Hamas, Hezbollah, and most every terrorist group in South Central Asia > and the Middle East, are not in compliance with the terms and conditions of > the Geneva Conventions. > > http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/geneva07.asp > > Make no mistake, there is a big distinction between "collateral damage" in > war or a war-like conflict, versus the outright targeting of civilians, like > we have seen both Hamas and Hezbollah engage civillian targets here > recently. A military campaign targeting military targets is to obtain > specific goals, whereas the targeting of civilian targets has no other point > or purpose but to instill fear and cause hardship and suffering within the > populace. United States General William Tecumsah Sherman was a terrorist, > whereas General Eric Shinseki and General David Petraeus are not! > > Then, we have Amah Abdullah write the following: > > *What would you do if someone kicked you out of your home, killing half of > your family in the process, then crammed you with all the other people who > were kicked out of their homes into refugee camps far away from home and in > the worst living conditions imaginable.* > > Then, American Built made the following comment: > > *"stop listening to that witch with the crooked nose and listen to the > AMERICAN & BRITISH reporters who demanded the truth. "* > ** > *http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum/msg/0b476b916683d210* > * > * > American Built, I suggest that you heed your own words, and start searching > for the truth.....You obviously have been blinded by this new far left, > socialist-elitist "cause celebre' "; and it is unbecoming of someone that > sounds as intelligent as you do. > > Similar to American Built's reference, almost a month ago, the New York > Times published an article written by Rashid Khalidi and captioned, "What > You Don't Know About Gaza". > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08khalidi.html?_r=1&em > > Like Khalidi's article, Amah Abdullah makes the argument that: > ** > *What would you do if someone kicked you out of your home, killing half > of your family in the process, then crammed you with all the other people > who were kicked out of their homes into refugee camps far away from home > and in the worst living conditions imaginable. And to make matters even > worse, when you tried to get your home back, they sealed off your refugee > camp with a blckade from air, land, and sea. * > > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum/msg/37f2835b4852ab26 > > Similar to Khalaidi: > > *"Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of > the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza > Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like > Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in > 1948."* > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08khalidi.html?_r=1&em > > Both Khalidi's and Abdullah's arguments are prevaricate and misleading to > say the least. First, this region throughout the recordation of history has > always been a region of influx and population change. Although Wikipedia > is not my favorite source to cite or quote from, this brief synopsis > demonstrates my point, and gives a good generic description demonstrating > that the region, from Gaza to the Negev desert has continuously seen > population change, from the days of the Philistines in the 12th and 13th > Centuries, BCE, up through the middle 20th Century, AD. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza#History > > This May, 2008 Wall Street Journal Op-Ed piece sheds a fairly accurate, and > somewhat non-biased light on the possession and dispossession of the lands > and the region as a whole: > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121019679929074973.html?mod=opinion_j... > > At the time of the Israeli occupation of Ashkelon and Beersheba in 1948, the > population of Ashkelon was approximately 11,000. The population of the > actual town of Beersheba, was between 4,000 and 5,500, and the Beersheba > region, (e.g.; the Negev Desert, occupied by the Bedouins; See Attachment 1, > The "UN1948PartitionMap") had approximately 100,000 occupants. Most of the > Muslim occupants of the Beersheba region emmigrated to what was then called > Transjordan, very few Beershebans, if any, migrated to Gaza. > > Of the 11,000 inhabitants of Ashkelon in 1948, Palestinian Sabri Jaris, > author of the book, "Arabs In Israel" > (1966;http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19761001fabook16015/sabri-jiryis/the-ar...) > documented that between 1,000 and 2,000 Palestinians were removed from > Ashkelon to Gaza in 1948. > > http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/1948--israel--and-t... > > http://books.google.com/books?id=3SapTk5iGDkC&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=Pop... > > http://www.al-bushra.org/zionism/works7.htm > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba > > Abdullah then goes on to say: > > *"And to make matters even worse, when you tried to get your home back, they > sealed off your refugee camp with a blckade from air, land, and sea. No > food, drink, or medical supplies can get in- and NO ONE CAN GET OUT. * > ** > *http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum/msg/37f2835b4852ab26* > > Khalidi also asserts that: > > "Israel still controls access to the area, imports and exports, and the > movement of people in and out (of Gaza)" > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08khalidi.html?_r=1&em > > One has to ask, if in fact Israel controls all of the imports and exports, > then why would Israel allow for rockets, or any weaponry for that matter, to > be utilized to literally terrorize their own civilian population? > > The statement that, "Israel controls the movement of people in and out of > Gaza" I believe to be an inference by both Abdullah and Khalidi that > somehow, Israel would refuse to allow for Palestinians to leave Gaza, which > is, once again, simply untrue. Palestinians can emigrate to any > Nation-State that allows for their immigration. > > http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2006/10/hamas-driving-palestinians-out-... > > http://www.newsweek.com/id/177194 > > http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2006/10/palestinians-leaving-the-west... > > I am not so naïve to believe that these Palestinians, which by American > standards would be considered in a lower socio-economic strata, could just > pick up and move to their choice of residences. > > The fact remains that Rashid Khalidi, and specifically Mah Mah Radwaan, Amah > Abdullah, and AmericanBuilt.us have even remotely considered or suggested > that the government of Gaza; *e.g.;* the 'HAMAS" controlled government of > Gaza (and the West Bank) which refuses to even acknowledge Israel's right to > existence, could be playing a part in the squalor and financial debacle that > those in Gaza now face!! A region that is ripe with natural resources, yet > has never been taken advantage of since the corrupt PLO, led by Yasser > Arafat, and now the just as corrupt and jihadist Hamas controlled government > have been in charge of the region!! Why have none of you even remotely > suggested that the Hamas government has not provided for, or taken any > initiative to feed, clothe and house its people? > > Therefore, Abdullah's belief that: > > *"No food, drink, or medical supplies can get in- and NO ONE CAN GET OUT."* > > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum/msg/2dff4ed085136638 > > And Khalidi's assessment that: > > "Israel's blockade of the strip, with the support of the United States and > the European Union, has grown increasingly stringent since Hamas won the > Palestinian Legislative Council elections in January 2006. Fuel, > electricity, imports, exports and the movement of people in and out of the > Strip have been slowly choked off, leading to life-threatening problems of > sanitation, health, water supply and transportation." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08khalidi.html?_r=1&em > > Although technically, partially accurate, Amah Abdullah, AmericanBuilt.us, > and Khalidi are nevertheless misleading, and outright propagandist. Just as > important, there is no basis whatsoever in Mah Mah Radwaan's original post. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
