Not tonight Keith, but at some point "we will see what you got" on CRA,....better yet, how do we get out of this mess.....it may be a short conversation though. you say cut taxes, ...I say Keynes...unsubstantiated conservative economic theories of the 30s...see I just completed the debate and nobody got anywhere, but no insults either.
On Mar 9, 10:59 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Fritzie!! > > At the risk of being called a pompous windbag ass again, I would like to > point out a couple of things.... > > Fritz, I feel confident that you, Biff, Euwe and several others that post a > lot on these boards who usually convey a more liberal perspective understand > the difference, but just for the sake of clarity, there is a big distinction > between "conservatives" and "Republicans". > > "Conservatives" are not the same as "Republicans". There are a number of > folks under the Republican Tent, to include "centrists", "libertarians", > "progressives"; "egalitarians", "traditionalists", "enterprisers", and > "religious fundamentalists". > > Before the 1950s, there were no conservatives. There were traditionalists > and libertarians who opposed the dominant welfare state liberal ideology, > and there were Republicans who were "do it slower-than-the Democrats,” > moderates. But there were no conservatives in the modern sense. Modern > conservatism was invented at National Review magazine in the mid fifties, > primarily by editor, William F. Buckley, Jr. Conservatism's highest value > is liberty, but it was a freedom to be used responsibly as a means to pursue > traditionally defined and virtuous ends. > > The formula was, and continues to be to this day: "Conservatism equals > relying upon libertarian means to pursue traditional ends". > > From this formula flowed conservatism's support of Western values as desired > ends and opposition to both domestic statism and international communism, as > enemies of those ends. Judeo Christian morality, the family, religion, local > communities and national patriotism were the values that Buckley (and Frank > Meyer, Buckley's partner at National Review) defined as Western tenets. > Conservatism also encompasses the principles and support of individual > freedom, free markets, voluntary associations, local governments, unfettered > businesses; especially small businesses; and capitalism generally. > Fritz, America is predominately conservative. If you cannot see that, then > it is you that is out of touch with reality! Some of the things that you, > (And Biff!!) write are from a conservative slant!!! > > Most Americans hold the traditional principles and tenets I listed above, > first and foremost! There are a number of individuals who espouse an > Anti-American rhetoric and diatribe, to include socialist principles as well > as far left extremist ideals, and these folks have taken over the Democrat > Party. Lil' Moonbat Mikey is a classic example of someone who espouses > Anti-American rhetoric. Please keep this statement in mind, I wrote this > several months ago, and I challenge anyone to tell me that it is based on an > incorrect premise: > > "ALL AMERICANS; that is to say, EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN, wants, desires and > has a quest for the opportunity and freedom for ALL citizens to achieve > their goals and reach financial security if only they work hard enough, > without the ability of the fruits of their labor being redistributed by an > Orwellian "Big Brother" ". > > As you know, I was President Bush's harshest critic. President Bush > abandoned Reagan conservatism and became a one dimensional figure that could > spend any Democrat under the table. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq helped > fuel a false economy that was being driven by wild Wall Street speculation > that ran roughshod over the Administration’s impotent regulators who would > have been better off being managed by Barney Fife. > > No question, the Republicans have lost their way. That is the reason that > approximately 8 months ago, I became active once again in Republican > politics, in an attempt to take my party back from the likes of what many > term, "Neo-Cons", (who by definition, are former Democrats) and from the > religious zealots who have wrested control from the Reaganesque > "conservative libertarians" of the Republican Party. > > Having said that, anyone who has really delved into the cause of the > financial meltdown of our Nation, and truly knows the facts, could never > vote for a Democrat ever again. The root cause of the current financial > quagmire that all Americans suffer from today, was caused by three little > words, a whole lotta syllables: the "Community Reinvestment Act". > > I spent over four hours yesterday researching different legislation and the > House and Senate Record after Studio and Doc Holiday submitted several > articles, one in particular that former Governor Eliot Spitzer wrote back > this past fall, and the bottom line is, the financial debacle that we > collectively face was predominately caused by Democrats, plain and simple. > > We are now venturing into uncharted socialistic waters under the Obama > Administration. > You Sir, are as conservative as I am!! You just have not woke up and > realized this fact yet!! > > Keith > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Fritz da Cat > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > What's not factual is saying that the GOP strategy is going to work. > > The American people spoke loud and clear in November that they didn't > > want what the GOP had to offer and the the GOP lost bad. If you think > > this same failed strategy is going to work for them in 2010 then > > you're delusional. > > > On Mar 9, 8:07 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > LOL! That is hilarious! Not at all factual, nothing that you can find > > to > > > support such rhetorical idiocy, but good for a laugh!!! > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Fritz da Cat <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > I wouldn't count on that. Your beloved GOP is dying because they lack > > > > ideas, and are trying to obstruct everything. They American people > > > > understand this. So as the republicans continue to lack any new ideas, > > > > and obstruct, and put their party interests before the nation's > > > > interest they continue to become more and more irrelevant and by 2010 > > > > as they lose more seats in the House and Senate become closer to > > > > extinction. You can deny this all you want, but in the end reality > > > > will prevail and the GOP will either go extinct, or start putting the > > > > best interests of the American people before the interests of the GOP. > > > > That will mean coming with new ideas. I doubt that will happen. > > > > > On Mar 9, 7:52 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is Pelosi's last hurrah as Speaker..She might be able to woo > > > > Moonbats > > > > > in San Francisco, but nationally, Pelosi, as well as the Democrat > > Party > > > > is > > > > > toast come 2010...... > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Fritz da Cat < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > By putting their party before the country and playing politics > > instead > > > > > > of doing the bidding of the American people. 2010 will be another > > > > > > great year for the democrats as a result. > > >http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0309/GOP_goal_Sinking_Pelos. > > > > .. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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