Good Morning Biff & Studio, I enjoyed reading both of your interesing perspectives! I find it somewhat surprising Biff, and feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe this is the first time I have seen you post something that in fact acknowledges the possibility of conservative inroads come 2010 elections!
I hope the both of you will take just a couple of minutes to read this "epistle" I post here; but I sincerely want ya'll to understand what I mean when I say, "America is a conservative Nation", and that I genuinely include the both of you in that category. Despite your argument to the contrary, America is a very conservative Nation. Americans, (and yes, I am stererotyping) for the most part, believe in a host of conservative principles, a few of which are: The concepts of free speech; a free, independent press; the right to own firearms; the right to be secured in their homes, papers and effects without unreasonable searches; a right to a fair trial by an impartial jury; a strong national defense; and a federal and State government that are limited and "restricted"; especially when it comes to the government's involvement in our day-to-day lives. These are all conservative principles that as stated, for the most part most Americans believe in. I don't think there is any denying this. To classify "conservatives" as, "Republicans" is misplaced. There are at least four or five broad classifications of voter types that usually vote Republican; a coalition if you will; and some of these group's beliefs obviously overlap. Just as important, again, I am stereotyping: The "Social Conservatives", or "traditionalists"; sometimes unflatteringly referred to as the "fundamentalist religious zealots"; of which family, church and community are their most important issues; The "Economic Conservatives"; who view nature as actually benign, encouraging individualism, experimentation, and entrepreneurship; The "Libertarians"; or "Constitutionalists; who in general look for a strict adherence to the Constitution, and a very limited, restricted government; The "Fatalists"; or, (again for lack of a better term) the "NeoCons"; (and I deterst that term, because by definition, all "NeoCons" are former Democrats) who generally believe in a strong central government, with a "Federalist" perspective. I will be the first to admit, that the Republican Party has lost its way. In general, (again, I am stereotyping!!) President Bush was not a conservative, but some hybrid "moderate", or "egalitarian" with "NeoCon" and "social conservative" viewpoints. With the exception of Jimmy Carter, the Bush Administration might very well have been one of the worst presidencies in yours and my lifetime, (although the Johnson Administration ranks up there too). Like it or not, if Repulbicans want to be in the majority, all of these aforementioned groups must form a coalition, (which we have done successfully for the most part of the latter half of the 20th Century). Both economic and social conservatives, as well as the Libertarians, and NeoCons are stuck with one other, if we want to be in the majority--or at least if we do not want a coalition of egalitarians, socialists and fatalists in control. To even protect ourselves from the governmental intrusions of the "egalitarian-socialist-liberal" and "fatalist-NeoCon" types on the left, Traditionalists and Libertarians must respect each other’s bottom line values. Economic conservatives must be explicit that the traditional values are the goal, even if they stress more that the means should be voluntary ones. Social conservatives must recognize a difference between recognizing moral ills and the temptation of translating their solution into national laws, even if they must insist upon public discussion of the ultimate value-goals and their solution by voluntary and local means. If both conservative factions do not accommodate their natural allies, the other guys will determine what the goals are and use national government means to enforce them. This is the reason that I chose some eight or nine months ago, to once again get very active in Republican politics here locally (in the State of Florida) in an attempt to take my party back from those who I believe have hijacked the leadership of the Republican Party. No question, the "fundamentalist religious zealots"; (Again, for lack of a better term) and "NeoCons"; and as stated, I despise the term "NeoCon", but everyone seems to understand to some degree, who I am referencing have been in control of the Republican Party for way too long, causing disarray, and party splits on a number of issues, that would take too long to get into, but by example, Terri Schiavo, the Patriot Act, The Department of Homeland Security, and our lack of a succinct immigration policy and securing of our borders are great examples of complex issues where the Republican Party has failed, because of those NeoCons and Zealots being in control. The Republican Party Leadership must return to and once again advocate the "Conservative-Libertarian-Constitutionalist" values that were so successful, and of which Ronald Reagan championed and advocated back in the 1980s. I believe that you are going to see a house cleaning in 2010, on both sides of the aisle, and a return to these conservative libertarian principles in the next 18-24 months, which still allows for and respects those Traditionalist/Social Conservative values and champions fiscal responsibility and the principles of the Economic Conservatives. Keith On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Biff <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sure, America is a conservative nation: > > Gore wins popular vote in 2000 > Rethugs lose the House and the Senate in 2006 > Rethugs lose the presidency and the lefties gain in the House and > Senate in 2008 > > If this is a conservative nation are they too stupid to understand how > to vote? > > Start getting realistic... I believe you are capable of a rational > conversation instead of silly RW rhetoric, repeating a mantra over and > over does not make it true. > The reality is the nation is for the most part split right down the > middle, and the righties are capable of making gains in 2010....most > RWingers would never say that..... they are too attached to delusional > platitudes. Regretfully most of those gains (if they happen) are a > result of the hate, fear, and smear from faux, and the "make shit up" > radio xenophobes. > > > > On Mar 16, 10:01 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Biffie, Biffie, Biffie, > > > > You keep thinking that America is made up of far left, radical, > > socialist-elitist extremists. America is not made up of folks like > > you....You Sir, are in the minority. America is a conservative Nation, > > with a people who cherish the concepts of Liberty, Freedom, the > > constitutional principles of free speech, the right to own firearms; the > > expectation to be free from unreasonable searches of their homes, papers > and > > effects; the right to a fair trial, etc., etc., etc... > > > > When Americans, especially those Americans who are not ideologues like > you, > > me, and a number of members in this group wake up and realize that they > have > > been sold a bill of goods by the Obama Administration, and that their > money > > is not worth the paper that it is written on because of Obama's > "stimulus" > > and printing money like it was raffle tickets; you are going to see a > total > > backlash, and folks like Nanc, Harry, Barney, Chrissy, and a gamut of > other > > greedy "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" wacko left socialist-elitists will be > > escorted out of Washington, hopefully back to their constituencies where > > they may face some indictments, trials and some jail time for their > criminal > > actions regarding Fannie and Freddie!! > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Biff <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Doesn't matter how you spin or rationalize an invasion that should > > > never have occurred....go back and check predictions from 2002-2003 > > > including Scowcrofts, while Bush and his criminals were selling WMD, > > > mushroom clouds, and, "we will be greeted as liberators"....the real > > > winner is Iran, which was predicted as well. You are aware of all this > > > but rationalize the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands (and > > > will continue to do so).....what the fringe right thinks is > > > irrelevant, it's keeping your poison away from the general electorate > > > that does matter. > > > > > On Mar 16, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Uhm.......Biffie?? > > > > > > Two years ago, you and your far left extremist-elitist leaders, > namely > > > Nanc, > > > > Harry, Teddy, Barney, Chrissy (Dodd) the Messiah and others, were all > > > > clamoring for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, claiming that, "The > War > > > Is > > > > Lost". > > > > > > I wasn't around in Euwetopia two years ago, (as a matter of fact, > next > > > month > > > > marks my one year anniversary here in Google Group's political > Boards) > > > but > > > > I can only imagine what the chit-chat was between you, Cos, Fritzie, > > > Euwe, > > > > Rebel, Justice, and Lil' Moonbat Mikey two years ago. > > > > > > Now that we have prevailed in Iraq, allowing for a stable, > republican > > > form > > > > of government which was democratically elected in Iraq; a government > > > which > > > > can defend against both internal and external threat; a government > that > > > is > > > > providing for its people, and just as important, is friendly to the > > > United > > > > States' interests, can you imagine if the United States would have > > > picked > > > > up and left two years ago? What the region would be like today? > > > > > > Let me paint that picture for you....If we would have left two years > ago > > > as > > > > many of the partisan far left extremists wanted to do, the region > would > > > > probably be cut into several different Nation-States, predominately > > > > controlled by Iran, and a haven for terrorists who are intent upon > > > > destroying Western Civilization as we know it today. America's > > > proverbial > > > > "word"; e.g.; our commitment to other Nation-States would be > worthless. > > > > Just as important, those brave men and women who gave their lives in > the > > > > conflict would have died for nothing. > > > > > > You should be thankful, that it was cooler, rational heads that > prevailed > > > > two years ago, and that we "stayed the course". This would also be > a > > > great > > > > time to admit, "Yes, me and my far left, socialist-elitist extremist > > > friends > > > > were incorrect, we goofed on that call!!" > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Biff <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Tough to turn on a light bulb that is already on....most lefties in > > > > > Euwetopia have accurately predicted the outcome of the Iraq War and > > > > > the economy due to Bush policies mostly supported by the Right, > > > > > libertarian or not.....if you tout policies that revert to what > caused > > > > > most of the mess in the first place, basically an oligarchy with > "free > > > > > market" bling that feeds the military, that would not be rational. > No > > > > > American RWing government has ever been able to fulfill it's stated > > > > > promise of smaller government, but the litany continues...for the > > > > > Right it may be a long dry spell if the majority of Americans > continue > > > > > to blame the Bush Administration and the Republicans, rightfully > > > > > so.... > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 6:51 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Biff! > > > > > > > > Yep, I will be the first to point out that you are sometimes > > > misguided, > > > > > > confused, and on occasion, say some things that shock me; (as > opposed > > > to > > > > > > every now and then, when you nail something on the head, and > actually > > > say > > > > > > somthing astute!! LOL!!) > > > > > > > > That doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy ya a beer, (Hell on > occasion, > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > right funny!!) but more importantly, I keep thinking that I can > turn > > > the > > > > > > light bulb on for you, Euwe, Fritzie, Cos, and a bunch of other > folks > > > > > over > > > > > > there in Euwetopia!!! > > > > > > > > I like it here better though...... > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Biff < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Keith, you do a good job demonstrating the schizophrenia of the > RW, > > > in > > > > > > > one post you are calling me stupid, and the next want to be > palsy > > > > > > > walsy.....it is possible to state one's opinions without being > > > > > > > personal.... > > > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 12:37 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay..... > > > > > > > > > > Oh Wise, Young In Spirit Yet Still Confused, Exalted Mr. > Biff, > > > > > > > > > > Did you do the new, improved, revised, restored, rennovated > > > > > Gettysburg > > > > > > > > Cyclorama? If so, how was it?? > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2:17 am, Biff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Jolly Keith...I AM older than you, and it's possible, > > > wiser....Mr. > > > > > > > > > Biff will do, Mr. Tampa. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 10:58 pm, Keith In Tampa < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Evening Young Biff!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite that obnoxious comment, that borders on > > > > > "socialist-elitist" > > > > > > > > > > (LOL!) the fact that you have been to Gettysburg since > they > > > > > have > > > > > > > re-done > > > > > > > > > > the Cyclorama gives you a pass for yours and Fritzies' > > > > > Moonbattery > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > last couple of evenings!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you go into the Cyclorama? How is the new revised > > > > > Gettysburg? I > > > > > > > > > > haven't been up there in years, but I want to go back > since > > > they > > > > > have > > > > > > > redone > > > > > > > > > > the park!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pictures? For the web site?? Let's see em'!! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Biff < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On February 28 I stood at the exact spot Lincoln gave > the > > > > > > > Gettysburg > > > > > > > > > > > Address, with a reading of that most moving > speech...this > > > is > > > > > after > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > day on the battlefield...to begin to even compare > Abraham > > > > > Lincoln > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > George W. Bush borders on evil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 3:20 pm, Keith In Tampa < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And replacing it with this fine piece of artwork!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I said to him, 'Barak, I know Abe Lincoln, and > you > > > ain't > > > > > > > him!.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > 178KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
