Doc, My sincerest apologies, I meant to reference you, and not Studio in this message!! (Sometimes I get the two of you confused!! Again, I apologize!!)
Keith On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > Good Morning Biff & Studio, > > I enjoyed reading both of your interesing perspectives! I find it somewhat > surprising Biff, and feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe > this is the first time I have seen you post something that in fact > acknowledges the possibility of conservative inroads come 2010 elections! > > I hope the both of you will take just a couple of minutes to read this > "epistle" I post here; but I sincerely want ya'll to understand what I mean > when I say, "America is a conservative Nation", and that I genuinely include > the both of you in that category. > > Despite your argument to the contrary, America is a very conservative > Nation. Americans, (and yes, I am stererotyping) for the most part, believe > in a host of conservative principles, a few of which are: The concepts of > free speech; a free, independent press; the right to own firearms; the > right to be secured in their homes, papers and effects without unreasonable > searches; a right to a fair trial by an impartial jury; a strong national > defense; and a federal and State government that are limited and > "restricted"; especially when it comes to the government's involvement in > our day-to-day lives. These are all conservative principles that as > stated, for the most part most Americans believe in. I don't think there is > any denying this. > > To classify "conservatives" as, "Republicans" is misplaced. There are at > least four or five broad classifications of voter types that usually vote > Republican; a coalition if you will; and some of these group's > beliefs obviously overlap. Just as important, again, I am stereotyping: > > The "Social Conservatives", or "traditionalists"; sometimes unflatteringly > referred to as the "fundamentalist religious zealots"; of which family, > church and community are their most important issues; > > The "Economic Conservatives"; who view nature as actually benign, > encouraging individualism, experimentation, and entrepreneurship; > > The "Libertarians"; or "Constitutionalists; who in general look for a > strict adherence to the Constitution, and a very limited, restricted > government; > > The "Fatalists"; or, (again for lack of a better term) the "NeoCons"; (and > I deterst that term, because by definition, all "NeoCons" are former > Democrats) who generally believe in a strong central government, with a > "Federalist" perspective. > > I will be the first to admit, that the Republican Party has lost its > way. In general, (again, I am stereotyping!!) President Bush was not a > conservative, but some hybrid "moderate", or "egalitarian" with "NeoCon" and > "social conservative" viewpoints. With the exception of Jimmy Carter, the > Bush Administration might very well have been one of the worst presidencies > in yours and my lifetime, (although the Johnson Administration ranks up > there too). > > Like it or not, if Repulbicans want to be in the majority, all of > these aforementioned groups must form a coalition, (which we have done > successfully for the most part of the latter half of the 20th Century). > Both economic and social conservatives, as well as the Libertarians, and > NeoCons are stuck with one other, if we want to be in the majority--or at > least if we do not want a coalition of egalitarians, socialists and > fatalists in control. > > To even protect ourselves from the governmental intrusions of the > "egalitarian-socialist-liberal" and "fatalist-NeoCon" types on the left, > Traditionalists and Libertarians must respect each other’s bottom line > values. Economic conservatives must be explicit that the traditional values > are the goal, even if they stress more that the means should be voluntary > ones. Social conservatives must recognize a difference between recognizing > moral ills and the temptation of translating their solution into national > laws, even if they must insist upon public discussion of the ultimate > value-goals and their solution by voluntary and local means. If both > conservative factions do not accommodate their natural allies, the other > guys will determine what the goals are and use national government means to > enforce them. > > This is the reason that I chose some eight or nine months ago, to once > again get very active in Republican politics here locally (in the State of > Florida) in an attempt to take my party back from those who I believe have > hijacked the leadership of the Republican Party. No question, the > "fundamentalist religious zealots"; (Again, for lack of a better term) and > "NeoCons"; and as stated, I despise the term "NeoCon", but everyone seems to > understand to some degree, who I am referencing have been in control of the > Republican Party for way too long, causing disarray, and party splits on a > number of issues, that would take too long to get into, but by example, > Terri Schiavo, the Patriot Act, The Department of Homeland Security, and our > lack of a succinct immigration policy and securing of our borders are great > examples of complex issues where the Republican Party has failed, because of > those NeoCons and Zealots being in control. > > The Republican Party Leadership must return to and once again advocate the > "Conservative-Libertarian-Constitutionalist" values that were so successful, > and of which Ronald Reagan championed and advocated back in the 1980s. I > believe that you are going to see a house cleaning in 2010, on both sides of > the aisle, and a return to these conservative libertarian principles in the > next 18-24 months, which still allows for and respects those > Traditionalist/Social Conservative values and champions fiscal > responsibility and the principles of the Economic Conservatives. > > Keith > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Biff <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Sure, America is a conservative nation: >> >> Gore wins popular vote in 2000 >> Rethugs lose the House and the Senate in 2006 >> Rethugs lose the presidency and the lefties gain in the House and >> Senate in 2008 >> >> If this is a conservative nation are they too stupid to understand how >> to vote? >> >> Start getting realistic... I believe you are capable of a rational >> conversation instead of silly RW rhetoric, repeating a mantra over and >> over does not make it true. >> The reality is the nation is for the most part split right down the >> middle, and the righties are capable of making gains in 2010....most >> RWingers would never say that..... they are too attached to delusional >> platitudes. Regretfully most of those gains (if they happen) are a >> result of the hate, fear, and smear from faux, and the "make shit up" >> radio xenophobes. >> >> >> >> On Mar 16, 10:01 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Biffie, Biffie, Biffie, >> > >> > You keep thinking that America is made up of far left, radical, >> > socialist-elitist extremists. America is not made up of folks like >> > you....You Sir, are in the minority. America is a conservative Nation, >> > with a people who cherish the concepts of Liberty, Freedom, the >> > constitutional principles of free speech, the right to own firearms; the >> > expectation to be free from unreasonable searches of their homes, papers >> and >> > effects; the right to a fair trial, etc., etc., etc... >> > >> > When Americans, especially those Americans who are not ideologues like >> you, >> > me, and a number of members in this group wake up and realize that they >> have >> > been sold a bill of goods by the Obama Administration, and that their >> money >> > is not worth the paper that it is written on because of Obama's >> "stimulus" >> > and printing money like it was raffle tickets; you are going to see a >> total >> > backlash, and folks like Nanc, Harry, Barney, Chrissy, and a gamut of >> other >> > greedy "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" wacko left socialist-elitists will be >> > escorted out of Washington, hopefully back to their constituencies where >> > they may face some indictments, trials and some jail time for their >> criminal >> > actions regarding Fannie and Freddie!! >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Biff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Doesn't matter how you spin or rationalize an invasion that should >> > > never have occurred....go back and check predictions from 2002-2003 >> > > including Scowcrofts, while Bush and his criminals were selling WMD, >> > > mushroom clouds, and, "we will be greeted as liberators"....the real >> > > winner is Iran, which was predicted as well. You are aware of all this >> > > but rationalize the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands (and >> > > will continue to do so).....what the fringe right thinks is >> > > irrelevant, it's keeping your poison away from the general electorate >> > > that does matter. >> > >> > > On Mar 16, 9:22 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Uhm.......Biffie?? >> > >> > > > Two years ago, you and your far left extremist-elitist leaders, >> namely >> > > Nanc, >> > > > Harry, Teddy, Barney, Chrissy (Dodd) the Messiah and others, were >> all >> > > > clamoring for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, claiming that, "The >> War >> > > Is >> > > > Lost". >> > >> > > > I wasn't around in Euwetopia two years ago, (as a matter of fact, >> next >> > > month >> > > > marks my one year anniversary here in Google Group's political >> Boards) >> > > but >> > > > I can only imagine what the chit-chat was between you, Cos, Fritzie, >> > > Euwe, >> > > > Rebel, Justice, and Lil' Moonbat Mikey two years ago. >> > >> > > > Now that we have prevailed in Iraq, allowing for a stable, >> republican >> > > form >> > > > of government which was democratically elected in Iraq; a government >> > > which >> > > > can defend against both internal and external threat; a government >> that >> > > is >> > > > providing for its people, and just as important, is friendly to the >> > > United >> > > > States' interests, can you imagine if the United States would have >> > > picked >> > > > up and left two years ago? What the region would be like today? >> > >> > > > Let me paint that picture for you....If we would have left two years >> ago >> > > as >> > > > many of the partisan far left extremists wanted to do, the region >> would >> > > > probably be cut into several different Nation-States, predominately >> > > > controlled by Iran, and a haven for terrorists who are intent upon >> > > > destroying Western Civilization as we know it today. America's >> > > proverbial >> > > > "word"; e.g.; our commitment to other Nation-States would be >> worthless. >> > > > Just as important, those brave men and women who gave their lives in >> the >> > > > conflict would have died for nothing. >> > >> > > > You should be thankful, that it was cooler, rational heads that >> prevailed >> > > > two years ago, and that we "stayed the course". This would also be >> a >> > > great >> > > > time to admit, "Yes, me and my far left, socialist-elitist extremist >> > > friends >> > > > were incorrect, we goofed on that call!!" >> > >> > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Biff <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > Tough to turn on a light bulb that is already on....most lefties >> in >> > > > > Euwetopia have accurately predicted the outcome of the Iraq War >> and >> > > > > the economy due to Bush policies mostly supported by the Right, >> > > > > libertarian or not.....if you tout policies that revert to what >> caused >> > > > > most of the mess in the first place, basically an oligarchy with >> "free >> > > > > market" bling that feeds the military, that would not be rational. >> No >> > > > > American RWing government has ever been able to fulfill it's >> stated >> > > > > promise of smaller government, but the litany continues...for the >> > > > > Right it may be a long dry spell if the majority of Americans >> continue >> > > > > to blame the Bush Administration and the Republicans, rightfully >> > > > > so.... >> > >> > > > > On Mar 15, 6:51 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > Hello Biff! >> > >> > > > > > Yep, I will be the first to point out that you are sometimes >> > > misguided, >> > > > > > confused, and on occasion, say some things that shock me; (as >> opposed >> > > to >> > > > > > every now and then, when you nail something on the head, and >> actually >> > > say >> > > > > > somthing astute!! LOL!!) >> > >> > > > > > That doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy ya a beer, (Hell on >> occasion, >> > > you >> > > > > are >> > > > > > right funny!!) but more importantly, I keep thinking that I can >> turn >> > > the >> > > > > > light bulb on for you, Euwe, Fritzie, Cos, and a bunch of other >> folks >> > > > > over >> > > > > > there in Euwetopia!!! >> > >> > > > > > I like it here better though...... >> > >> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Biff < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > Keith, you do a good job demonstrating the schizophrenia of >> the RW, >> > > in >> > > > > > > one post you are calling me stupid, and the next want to be >> palsy >> > > > > > > walsy.....it is possible to state one's opinions without being >> > > > > > > personal.... >> > >> > > > > > > On Mar 14, 12:37 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > Okay..... >> > >> > > > > > > > Oh Wise, Young In Spirit Yet Still Confused, Exalted Mr. >> Biff, >> > >> > > > > > > > Did you do the new, improved, revised, restored, rennovated >> > > > > Gettysburg >> > > > > > > > Cyclorama? If so, how was it?? >> > >> > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2:17 am, Biff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > Jolly Keith...I AM older than you, and it's possible, >> > > wiser....Mr. >> > > > > > > > > Biff will do, Mr. Tampa. >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 10:58 pm, Keith In Tampa < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Good Evening Young Biff!! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Despite that obnoxious comment, that borders on >> > > > > "socialist-elitist" >> > > > > > > > > > (LOL!) the fact that you have been to Gettysburg since >> they >> > > > > have >> > > > > > > re-done >> > > > > > > > > > the Cyclorama gives you a pass for yours and Fritzies' >> > > > > Moonbattery >> > > > > > > for the >> > > > > > > > > > last couple of evenings!! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Did you go into the Cyclorama? How is the new revised >> > > > > Gettysburg? I >> > > > > > > > > > haven't been up there in years, but I want to go back >> since >> > > they >> > > > > have >> > > > > > > redone >> > > > > > > > > > the park!! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Pictures? For the web site?? Let's see em'!! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Biff < >> > > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On February 28 I stood at the exact spot Lincoln gave >> the >> > > > > > > Gettysburg >> > > > > > > > > > > Address, with a reading of that most moving >> speech...this >> > > is >> > > > > after >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > day on the battlefield...to begin to even compare >> Abraham >> > > > > Lincoln >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > > George W. Bush borders on evil. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 3:20 pm, Keith In Tampa < >> [email protected] >> > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > And replacing it with this fine piece of artwork!!! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > So I said to him, 'Barak, I know Abe Lincoln, and >> you >> > > ain't >> > > > > > > him!.jpg >> > > > > > > > > > > > 178KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
