No, but if convicted and a warrant issued it can be exercised in ANY aduanal area.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Spain is impotent and irrelevant. They're also collossal cowards. What > will these hispanoles do? Send the Nina and Pinta over here to > retrieve Bush and "bring him to justice?" They'd better bring some > kick ass paella and sangria with them or we won't even let them dock. > > On Apr 9, 5:06 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > So China did not ignore a UN Resolution in 1951 by your facts... That > > is good to know, now only if it were true... And that is the problem > > here... Not unlike the WH insisting Obama did not bow to the Saudi > > King... > > > > Now I do not know if it is being Gringo is to accept truth when it is > > made apparent, If so you are NOT Gringo... Too bad, because that is a > > trait all folks could benefit from, be them Europeans, Indians, > > Chinese, Africans, Arabs, Latinos, and Gringos... > > > > On Apr 9, 4:13 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > All told, Reagan did noy ignore a UN resolution but a conviction and > fine. > > > There is a great difference. I guess that is lost on you and it up > holds my > > > position... I do not make assumptions without identifying them as such. > That > > > would be a Gringo failing. > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>> Simply because I am not. > > > > > > Unless 1959 is prior to 1981 you are in error... > > > > > > >>> Your need to have things spelled out letter for letter and > obvious > > > > lack of insight into a situation as a whole is not my shortcoming. > > > > > > Your refusal to explicitly state assumptions, not atypical for LW > > > > demagoguery, IS your shortcoming in a honest, civil, and transparent > > > > debate... That is often done to insure circular logic to ensure > your > > > > prejudices become the conclusions... It is often also the reason > > > > the LW cna NOT accept the reality of the GOOD Bush did in Iraq... > > > > > > >>> but only one side has held itself up as the fortress of freedom, > the > > > > land of liberty and free thought > > > > > > More BS... A better statement is that those opposing America and > > > > Human Rights demand perfection from America while ignoring or > excusing > > > > away worst conduct in others... Why??? Then they do not have to > > > > insist the really bad abusers do anything about human rights??? How > > > > do you advance Human Rights - by demanding perfection from a few, or > > > > by getting the worst abusers to change??? Frankly it the latter > > > > which produces greater results... > > > > > > The UN Human Rights Body is an example... Or take the issue of > > > > transAtlantic slavery in the 1600's to 1850... Who received most of > > > > the slaves??? Do you know??? The US by and by treated their slaves > > > > far better than the Caribbean or Brazil.... Is Cuba, Haiti, or > > > > Brazil asked for reparations??? Or Saudi Arabia or Iran (both who > > > > engaged in slavery in the 1900's... > > > > > > >>> I am here to debate, not instruct. None of my facts are incorrect > and > > > > my position is formed after a career of 27 years of first hand on > site > > > > observation with bullets flying and who is who and backed by who in > the > > > > field known. > > > > > > Debates require STATED assumptions... Second your fact that the US > > > > under Reagan was the first to openly ignore a UN Resolution is > clearly > > > > false... So yes your facts ARE QUESTIONABLE... Sorry to disabuse > > > > you of this... > > > > > > On Apr 9, 3:02 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why is it you can not admit you were in factual error instead of > > > > > seeking to justify BS by jumping on the US??? > > > > > > > Simply because I am not. Your need to have things spelled out > letter for > > > > > letter and obvious lack of insight into a situation as a whole is > not my > > > > > shortcoming. > > > > > > > There have absolutely been wrongs on all sides that nis > unquestionable... > > > > > but only one side has held itself up as the fortress of freedom, > the land > > > > of > > > > > liberty and free thought, the supposed shining example which they > export > > > > by > > > > > force of arms (covert or overt) if you disagree. That is the US. No > > > > > government has ever been so hypocritical and no people so blinded > by > > > > > misinformation as the US. > > > > > > > No, I do not have a "hard on" for the US as a whole, just it time > and > > > > time > > > > > again failed policy to forcefully indoctrinate the world regardless > of > > > > their > > > > > culture and tradition. \ > > > > > > > I am here to debate, not instruct. None of my facts are incorrect > and my > > > > > position is formed after a career of 27 years of first hand on site > > > > > observation with bullets flying and who is who and backed by who in > the > > > > > field known. You get yours from where ?? > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark, the question here is your claimed fact that the US was the > first > > > > > > to publicly ignore an UN Resolution... On that your are in > > > > > > error.... > > > > > > > > Now you expose your unmentioned predict "The US proclaims itself > as a > > > > > > shinning example of morality, while China does not, so China does > not > > > > > > count"... What hogwash... The fact here is the US is by and > large > > > > > > far more "moral" in it dealings with the world in the rough and > tumble > > > > > > arena of geopolitical Real Politiks... Now that does not say > the US > > > > > > is perfect. If it far from it... Yet it is head and shoulders > > > > > > better than China in the main. > > > > > > > > In the main, this line of reasoning seeks to condemn the US for > > > > > > everything while excusing away the same or worse behavior in > other > > > > > > world or regional powers as Russia, China, France, Iran... And > that > > > > > > is what little mikey used to do more crudely than you.... > > > > > > > > Here is an example of Russia being "immoral" if you were honest > enough > > > > > > to apply the same standards to Russia as you demand from the > US... > > > > > > Equality between nation state, as you demand, also demands equal > > > > > > standards in judging them... > > > > > > > > >>> So, in the end you did indeed twist the words to suit your > own ends > > > > and > > > > > > continue to do so. > > > > > > > > Why is it you can not admit you were in factual error instead of > > > > > > seeking to justify BS by jumping on the US??? > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 10:56 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry but you are wrong. Why is it you see NO difference in > publicly > > > > > > > espousing to the world the moral right of your cause and > presenting > > > > your > > > > > > > nation as the shining example of all that is right and good in > the > > > > world > > > > > > and > > > > > > > China who has never claimed to do anything but protect and > expand its > > > > > > sphere > > > > > > > of influence ??? > > > > > > > > > Why is it you have a population screaming for more Nuclear > power > > > > plants > > > > > > for > > > > > > > production of electricity when that same population wants to > deny > > > > that > > > > > > same > > > > > > > right to other equally Sovereign states ?? Is fear they may do > that > > > > > > > which you already have ?? > > > > > > > > > Why is it the US can try to invoke the Monroe Doctrine (they > are the > > > > only > > > > > > > signators to this self protecting ideal) yet when nations with > EQUAL > > > > > > rights > > > > > > > to do so elsewhere do just that the US cries most foul ?? > > > > > > > > > Just what is it that gives you (US) the "right" to intervene > and > > > > negates > > > > > > > that "right" for others on issues they find most offensive ?? > > > > > > > > > So, in the end you did indeed twist the words to suit your own > ends > > > > and > > > > > > > continue to do so. > > > > > > > > > Why ?? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:17 AM, jgg1000a <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The second point here is Mark I did NOT twist your words... > I > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > your facts were wrong... You claim that I twisted your words > when > > > > you > > > > > > > > facts were clearly wrong is in fact twisting MY words... > > > > > > > > > > Mark ask "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who twists the words" > > > > > > > > > > Subservient mirror "Not you" who was thinking "of course > it's you > > > > > > > > bub"... > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 5:12 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you want to quote me do so correctly. It is NOT > difficult... > > > > > > unlees > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > point needs to twist the words in order to be made. > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM, jgg1000a < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The first to ignore the UN??? Many did so pre 1980... > Shall > > > > we > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > them, even European nations??? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken the US does not consider six men > (Che > > > > had > > > > > > > > resigned > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > ALL Cuban service) talking politics and basicallly > starving > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > outback > > > > > > > > > > > to be a reasonable threat... in this case there is no > point > > > > to be > > > > > > > > made by > > > > > > > > > > > you. As far as some of the other excursions made by > Cuba > > > > during > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > "foreign travels", those soldiers were on loan to the > Soviet > > > > > > bloc.... > > > > > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > US responsible for UN actions ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > And as far as deserving to be convicted... what > difference > > > > does > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > make... > > > > > > > > > > > the first to openly ignore the UN was indeed, you > guessed it, > > > > the > > > > > > US > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > Raygun Ronnie, when he unilaterally pulled the US from > the > > > > ICJ > > > > > > > > > > jurisdiction > > > > > > > > > > > AFTER being convicted and an 18 billion dollar (still > unpaid) > > > > > > verdict > > > > > > > > > > > was rendered for war crimes............ > > > > > > > > > > > > > How soon the right points fingers forgetting they paved > the > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, dick thompson < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a contortionist you libs are. You think Castro > was > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > Bolivia when he sent Che there? You think he was > invited > > > > when > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
