Bush doesn't either... but he went there anyway. Whose pic is on their money and who is the titular head of state oh wise one.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:18 PM, dick thompson <[email protected]>wrote: > Interesting geography. Did not realize Calgary was in Europe. I am sure > the residents of Alberta would be very surprised. > > > Mark wrote: > > The problem is a Spanish conviction is a European conviction. If it is > found to be a "delito" it is extrdictable from anywhere with a European > nation treaty. That would curtail his travel habits. No more pro oil > speeches in Calgary. > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Evidently, the feckless Hispanoles care what he does. The question is, >> who cares what THEY do? >> >> On Apr 9, 6:51 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Who cares what he does ? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > I'm sure Bush would be shivering in his boots! LOL! >> > >> > > On Apr 9, 6:45 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > No, but if convicted and a warrant issued it can be exercised in ANY >> > > aduanal >> > > > area. >> > >> > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > Spain is impotent and irrelevant. They're also collossal cowards. >> What >> > > > > will these hispanoles do? Send the Nina and Pinta over here to >> > > > > retrieve Bush and "bring him to justice?" They'd better bring some >> > > > > kick ass paella and sangria with them or we won't even let them >> dock. >> > >> > > > > On Apr 9, 5:06 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > So China did not ignore a UN Resolution in 1951 by your facts... >> > > That >> > > > > > is good to know, now only if it were true... And that is the >> problem >> > > > > > here... Not unlike the WH insisting Obama did not bow to the >> Saudi >> > > > > > King... >> > >> > > > > > Now I do not know if it is being Gringo is to accept truth when >> it is >> > > > > > made apparent, If so you are NOT Gringo... Too bad, because >> that is >> > > a >> > > > > > trait all folks could benefit from, be them Europeans, Indians, >> > > > > > Chinese, Africans, Arabs, Latinos, and Gringos... >> > >> > > > > > On Apr 9, 4:13 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > All told, Reagan did noy ignore a UN resolution but a >> conviction >> > > and >> > > > > fine. >> > > > > > > There is a great difference. I guess that is lost on you and >> it up >> > > > > holds my >> > > > > > > position... I do not make assumptions without identifying them >> as >> > > such. >> > > > > That >> > > > > > > would be a Gringo failing. >> > >> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM, jgg1000a <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > >>> Simply because I am not. >> > >> > > > > > > > Unless 1959 is prior to 1981 you are in error... >> > >> > > > > > > > >>> Your need to have things spelled out letter for letter >> and >> > > > > obvious >> > > > > > > > lack of insight into a situation as a whole is not my >> > > shortcoming. >> > >> > > > > > > > Your refusal to explicitly state assumptions, not atypical >> for LW >> > > > > > > > demagoguery, IS your shortcoming in a honest, civil, and >> > > transparent >> > > > > > > > debate... That is often done to insure circular logic to >> ensure >> > > > > your >> > > > > > > > prejudices become the conclusions... It is often also the >> > > reason >> > > > > > > > the LW cna NOT accept the reality of the GOOD Bush did in >> Iraq... >> > >> > > > > > > > >>> but only one side has held itself up as the fortress of >> > > freedom, >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > land of liberty and free thought >> > >> > > > > > > > More BS... A better statement is that those opposing >> America and >> > > > > > > > Human Rights demand perfection from America while ignoring >> or >> > > > > excusing >> > > > > > > > away worst conduct in others... Why??? Then they do not >> have to >> > > > > > > > insist the really bad abusers do anything about human >> rights??? >> > > How >> > > > > > > > do you advance Human Rights - by demanding perfection from a >> few, >> > > or >> > > > > > > > by getting the worst abusers to change??? Frankly it the >> latter >> > > > > > > > which produces greater results... >> > >> > > > > > > > The UN Human Rights Body is an example... Or take the issue >> of >> > > > > > > > transAtlantic slavery in the 1600's to 1850... Who >> received >> > > most of >> > > > > > > > the slaves??? Do you know??? The US by and by treated >> their >> > > slaves >> > > > > > > > far better than the Caribbean or Brazil.... Is Cuba, >> Haiti, or >> > > > > > > > Brazil asked for reparations??? Or Saudi Arabia or Iran >> (both >> > > who >> > > > > > > > engaged in slavery in the 1900's... >> > >> > > > > > > > >>> I am here to debate, not instruct. None of my facts are >> > > incorrect >> > > > > and >> > > > > > > > my position is formed after a career of 27 years of first >> hand on >> > > > > site >> > > > > > > > observation with bullets flying and who is who and backed by >> who >> > > in >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > field known. >> > >> > > > > > > > Debates require STATED assumptions... Second your fact that >> the >> > > US >> > > > > > > > under Reagan was the first to openly ignore a UN Resolution >> is >> > > > > clearly >> > > > > > > > false... So yes your facts ARE QUESTIONABLE... Sorry to >> > > disabuse >> > > > > > > > you of this... >> > >> > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 3:02 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Why is it you can not admit you were in factual error >> instead >> > > of >> > > > > > > > > seeking to justify BS by jumping on the US??? >> > >> > > > > > > > > Simply because I am not. Your need to have things spelled >> out >> > > > > letter for >> > > > > > > > > letter and obvious lack of insight into a situation as a >> whole >> > > is >> > > > > not my >> > > > > > > > > shortcoming. >> > >> > > > > > > > > There have absolutely been wrongs on all sides that nis >> > > > > unquestionable... >> > > > > > > > > but only one side has held itself up as the fortress of >> > > freedom, >> > > > > the land >> > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > liberty and free thought, the supposed shining example >> which >> > > they >> > > > > export >> > > > > > > > by >> > > > > > > > > force of arms (covert or overt) if you disagree. That is >> the >> > > US. No >> > > > > > > > > government has ever been so hypocritical and no people so >> > > blinded >> > > > > by >> > > > > > > > > misinformation as the US. >> > >> > > > > > > > > No, I do not have a "hard on" for the US as a whole, just >> it >> > > time >> > > > > and >> > > > > > > > time >> > > > > > > > > again failed policy to forcefully indoctrinate the world >> > > regardless >> > > > > of >> > > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > > > culture and tradition. \ >> > >> > > > > > > > > I am here to debate, not instruct. None of my facts are >> > > incorrect >> > > > > and my >> > > > > > > > > position is formed after a career of 27 years of first >> hand on >> > > site >> > > > > > > > > observation with bullets flying and who is who and backed >> by >> > > who in >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > field known. You get yours from where ?? >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM, jgg1000a < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mark, the question here is your claimed fact that the US >> was >> > > the >> > > > > first >> > > > > > > > > > to publicly ignore an UN Resolution... On that your are >> in >> > > > > > > > > > error.... >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Now you expose your unmentioned predict "The US >> proclaims >> > > itself >> > > > > as a >> > > > > > > > > > shinning example of morality, while China does not, so >> China >> > > does >> > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > count"... What hogwash... The fact here is the US is >> by and >> > > > > large >> > > > > > > > > > far more "moral" in it dealings with the world in the >> rough >> > > and >> > > > > tumble >> > > > > > > > > > arena of geopolitical Real Politiks... Now that does >> not >> > > say >> > > > > the US >> > > > > > > > > > is perfect. If it far from it... Yet it is head and >> > > shoulders >> > > > > > > > > > better than China in the main. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > In the main, this line of reasoning seeks to condemn the >> US >> > > for >> > > > > > > > > > everything while excusing away the same or worse >> behavior in >> > > > > other >> > > > > > > > > > world or regional powers as Russia, China, France, >> Iran... >> > > And >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > is what little mikey used to do more crudely than >> you.... >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Here is an example of Russia being "immoral" if you were >> > > honest >> > > > > enough >> > > > > > > > > > to apply the same standards to Russia as you demand from >> the >> > > > > US... >> > > > > > > > > > Equality between nation state, as you demand, also >> demands >> > > equal >> > > > > > > > > > standards in judging them... >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> So, in the end you did indeed twist the words to >> suit >> > > your >> > > > > own ends >> > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > continue to do so. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Why is it you can not admit you were in factual error >> instead >> > > of >> > > > > > > > > > seeking to justify BS by jumping on the US??? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 10:56 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry but you are wrong. Why is it you see NO >> difference in >> > > > > publicly >> > > > > > > > > > > espousing to the world the moral right of your cause >> and >> > > > > presenting >> > > > > > > > your >> > > > > > > > > > > nation as the shining example of all that is right and >> good >> > > in >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > world >> > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > China who has never claimed to do anything but protect >> and >> > > > > expand its >> > > > > > > > > > sphere >> > > > > > > > > > > of influence ??? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why is it you have a population screaming for more >> Nuclear >> > > > > power >> > > > > > > > plants >> > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > production of electricity when that same population >> wants >> > > to >> > > > > deny >> > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > same >> > > > > > > > > > > right to other equally Sovereign states ?? Is fear >> they may >> > > do >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > > which you already have ?? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why is it the US can try to invoke the Monroe Doctrine >> > > (they >> > > > > are the >> > > > > > > > only >> > > > > > > > > > > signators to this self protecting ideal) yet when >> nations >> > > with >> > > > > EQUAL >> > > > > > > > > > rights >> > > > > > > > > > > to do so elsewhere do just that the US cries most foul >> ?? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Just what is it that gives you (US) the "right" to >> > > intervene >> > > > > and >> > > > > > > > negates >> > > > > > > > > > > that "right" for others on issues they find most >> offensive >> > > ?? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > So, in the end you did indeed twist the words to suit >> your >> > > own >> > > > > ends >> > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > continue to do so. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why ?? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:17 AM, jgg1000a < >> > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The second point here is Mark I did NOT twist your >> > > words... >> > > > > I >> > > > > > > > claimed >> > > > > > > > > > > > your facts were wrong... You claim that I twisted >> your >> > > words >> > > > > when >> > > > > > > > you >> > > > > > > > > > > > facts were clearly wrong is in fact twisting MY >> words... >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mark >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
