rad response to Dick and try again. On Apr 10, 2:50 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > 5th paragraph from the bottom > > >>> And as far as deserving to be convicted... what difference does it > >>> make... the first to openly ignore the UN was indeed, you guessed it, > >>> the US under Raygun Ronnie, when he unilaterally pulled the US from the > >>> ICJ jurisdiction > >>> AFTER being convicted and an 18 billion dollar (still unpaid) verdict > >>> was rendered for war crimes............ > > Reagan took the same stance as France did in 1974 -- that is refused > to accept the jurisdiction of the ICJ... He did so in 1985 BEFORE > the ICJ made any ruling... In your statement your state or infer > Reagan was the first to openly ignore the ICJ (false) and that Reagan > did so After the Judgment (again false)... The facts you DID not > include were Iranian open rejection of the ICJ Judgment in 1980... > > You are NOT ENTITLED to your FACTS when they are false... > > http://timelinesdb.com/listevents.php?subjid=537&title=World%20Court > > 1980 May 24 > Iran rejected a call by the World Court in The Hague to release the > American hostages. > Links: Netherlands, Iran, World Court Click to see the source(s) > for this event > > 1985 Jan 18 > President Reagan declared that the U.S. would not take part in the > World Court ruling on Nicaraguan charges. > Links: Nicaragua, USA, World Court, ReaganR Click to see the source > (s) for this event > > 1985 Oct 7 > The United States announced it would no longer automatically comply > with World Court decisions. This was in response to a June 25, 1985, > World Court ruling that U.S. involvement in Nicaragua violated > international law. The ruling stemmed from a suit brought in April > 1984 after revelations that the CIA had directed the mining of > Nicaraguan ports. The U.S. later vetoed two U.N. resolutions calling > for compliance to the World Court ruling. > Links: Nicaragua, USA, UN, CIA, World Court Click to see the source > (s) for this event > > 1986 Jun 27 > World Court ruled that US aid to Nicaraguan contras was illegal. > Links: Nicaragua, USA, World Court Click to see the source(s) for > this event > > On Apr 10, 4:26 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Response one: > > > Someone has to. > > > TWO: > > > They have the right to reach internationally on affairs they think > > affect or affected their interests in any way. > > > Gee, the US does just that as well. > > > THREE: > > > Should they ??? No. He has not made a single overt or covert move > > outside his borders that did not include an invitation of another (the > > affected) sitting sovereign government. That would be the US method > > and why the Spanish feel they have a right to act. > > FOUR: > > > If I'm not mistaken the US does not consider six men (Che had resigned from > > > ALL Cuban service) talking politics and basicallly starving in the outback > > to be a reasonable threat... in this case there is no point to be made by > > you. As far as some of the other excursions made by Cuba during their > > "foreign travels", those soldiers were on loan to the Soviet bloc.... Is the > > > US responsible for UN actions ?? > > > And as far as deserving to be convicted... what difference does it make... > > the first to openly ignore the UN was indeed, you guessed it, the US under > > Raygun Ronnie, when he unilaterally pulled the US from the ICJ jurisdiction > > > AFTER being convicted and an 18 billion dollar (still unpaid) verdict > > was rendered for war crimes............ > > > How soon the right points fingers forgetting they paved the way. > > > I see NO waffling in any of my very direct answers to direct and ON TOPIC > > (unlike yours) questions. > > > And up until and including that reply we were discussing heads of state and > > he mistakenly threw Che into the mix... I reminded him Che was not part of > > the Cuban Gov. when in Bolivia etc. > > > You then started on ENTITIES, not people pulling a Gaar and trying your best > > to make it suit some imagined topic that was simply NOT being discussed > > regardless of your interpretation. > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mark reread the thread.... Dick asked you if effect does the Us have > > > the right to "try" a foreign leader and then issue an arrest > > > warrant... To this question you did an Obama and refused to answer > > > directly... And that is the core topic of this thread... In one > > > post, in making a point, you added a false fact that > > > > >>> the first to openly ignore the UN > > > > which you altered after the fact to in effect > > > > >>> the first to openly ignore a ICJ judgment > > > > Now I show even that anti-American dig is plainly false what do you > > > do??? You claim if effect any comment about your false your dig is > > > NOT part of this thread, so any disabusing of your "off-topic" > > > statement is now out of bounds... Egads man, do you have no > > > shame??? If the "the US was first to do it" was off topic, why did > > > you YOU TYPE IT? If however it was part of a valid reply that was on > > > topic, then questioning your claimed facts IS ON TOPIC... > > > > You are seeking to have your insult and deny my claim of you claiming > > > false facts all at the same time... Was you insult on topic??? If > > > yes, admit your claim was false, if not apologize for being off > > > topic... Very simple really. After all, we are here for honest, > > > open and civil debate here are we not??? > > > > On Apr 10, 3:30 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > again gaar, you sidestep the original issue. > > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, plainolamerican > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > ouch!!! > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2:09 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Further examples as I twist the knife into your false claim's > > > > > > back... > > > > > > Openly ignoring ICJ judgements is relatively common starting from > > > > > > 1951.... > > > > > > > Non-Compliance with the International Court of Justice > > > > > > > Andrew Srulevitch > > > > > > Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations > > > > > > July 8, 2004 > > > > > > > Tomorrow the International Court of Justice will issue its > > > non-binding > > > > > > advisory opinion on Israel’s Security Fence. How might Israel react > > > > > > to an adverse decision? Detonate a nuclear device? Attack the > > > > > > enemy? Send 350,000 civilians into the disputed territory? > > > > > > > So responded France, Iceland and Morocco, respectively, to ICJ > > > > > > decisions against them. Ignoring the ICJ ruling would not be > > > original > > > > > > either. The United States, Albania, Argentina, Guinea-Bissau, Iran, > > > > > > Malaysia, Nigeria, Romania, South Africa and Thailand have all > > > > > > followed that path. > > > > > > > If Israel does not accept the ICJ’s conclusions, Palestinians and > > > > > > their supporters will argue that the Security Council should enact > > > > > > sanctions against Israel, as it did against apartheid South Africa. > > > > > > Lawyers for the Palestinians made this argument explicitly in their > > > > > > oral presentation to the court: > > > > > > > This is a classic case in the light of the opinion issued by the > > > Court > > > > > > in the Namibia case. As a result of the serious breaches of > > > > > > international law by the State of Israel, other states are obliged > > > > > > to > > > > > > co-operate with one another and with the United Nations and other > > > > > > competent international organizations, in order to put a stop to > > > these > > > > > > violations; not to recognize the unlawful situations arising from > > > > > > these violations; not to assist in the maintenance of these > > > > > > situations. If Israel persists in its refusal to apply the above- > > > > > > mentioned rules of international law and does not accept the > > > > > > consequences of its responsibility, the General Assembly is entitled > > > > > > to expect the Security Council to take the necessary coercive > > > measures > > > > > > which, in the case of violations of mandatory legal rules, should > > > > > > not > > > > > > be amenable to the use of a veto by any member of the Council. > > > > > > > Their argument does not stand up to scrutiny. Just as the general > > > > > > comparison between Israel and South Africa is specious, so is the > > > > > > specific linkage of the Namibia and Security Fence cases. > > > > > > > The history of the ICJ not only contradicts the Palestinian > > > > > > argument, > > > > > > it leads to the opposite conclusion: states have not been subject to > > > > > > Security Council sanctions for non-compliance. The ICJ’s judges > > > > > > have > > > > > > issued decisions in various formats: in contentious cases between > > > > > > two > > > > > > states, as advisory opinions for other UN agencies, and as an > > > > > > arbitration panel. Though the circumstances of each case differ > > > > > > from > > > > > > Israel’s and from one another, all of the states cited above adopted > > > > > > policies of non-compliance with an ICJ ruling. > > > > > > > Four cases – France, Iceland, Morocco and South Africa – are > > > described > > > > > > below. The first three cases have important similarities to the > > > > > > Security Fence issue, while the South African case has important > > > > > > differences. The other cases of non-compliance are noted briefly to > > > > > > provide additional context. > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > Defying ICJ rulings on national security issues: France and Iceland > > > > > > > On May 9, 1973, New Zealand (and Australia in a parallel case) asked > > > > > > the ICJ to order France to end atmospheric nuclear testing in the > > > > > > South Pacific. France responded that it did not consider the ICJ > > > > > > competent to hear the cases, did not accept ICJ jurisdiction, and > > > > > > would not participate in any proceedings. On June 22, the ICJ > > > > > > issued > > > > > > an Order, which stated that there was a prima facie basis for > > > > > > jurisdiction and, as an > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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