Studio, Horse Hockey.
There is no spin here. I reference the Preamble of the Constitution because OUR Nation was being attacked, and WE ALL believed that more attacks were going to happen. Osama bin Laden promised as much. Khalid Shaykh Mohammad promised as much, Abu Zumdayah promised as much. Abu al Nashiri promised as much. The pirate that was turned over to civilian prosecution is something that has been happening in our Nation for over two hundred years, nothing new here. It is called Admiralty-Maritime Law, and *in-rem* prosecution. There is no comparison between the piracy off the coast of Somalia, and homicidal murderers who are intent on attacking and killing Americans in our own Nation. Iraq's internal affairs has nothing to do with our own, other than there were a haven of these homicidal murderers convened within the borders of Iraq, most especially after we as a Nation decided to remove Saddam Hussien from power in a preemptive attack. As I am sure you recall, the theory was, that Saddam Hussien had, and was attempting to secure weapons of mass destruction that could be a threat to the United States. This was also during the era where all Americans wanted some revenge for what took place in New York and Washington D.C. on September 11, 2001. Khalid was captured in Iraq. Remember? This is where he filmed the beheading of Daniel Pearl. American jurisprudence has no place in a war. We should not be restricted by being forced to give these homicidal murderers who are intent on attacking our Nation Miranda rights, or affording them a civilian trial. Like the majority of Americans, I have long called for the fair, impartial military trials of those who were captured and detained. I believe that all of them would have been tried by now, if it were not for organizations like the ACLU and others from the far left who challenged some of the Justice Department's policies and the Bush Administration's determinations. I do concede that the Bush Administration did not move quickly enough in bringing these homicidal murderers to a military trial quickly enough. You might recall that Raz and I discussed this about a year ago, in a rather long thread, which I think you were even a part of. It was a mistake to have left these detainees in a prison camp for four and five years, without a conclusion as to their fate. Having said that, we still have some of the Marielitos from Cuba who came to this Nation in the early 1980s who are still imprisoned and have never had a trial. With regard to me "proving it"; e.g.; that the Bush Administration gained valuable information that stopped the devastation in our Nation, by preventing a plane hitting a skyscraper in Los Angeles and a dirty bomb being detonated in Washington D.C., I am only going by the Memorandum that Steven Bradbury wrote that the Obama Administration released last week. Former Vice President Cheney has asked for the release of more classified Memoranda to be released, which the Obama Administration seems unwilling to do. Why is that? Ya think there might be some partisan politics involved in this whole charade?? On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM, studio <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Apr 24, 11:26 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > The twenty eight detainees were not prisoners of war, in the sense of a > foot > > soldier, as the clause you are referencing is referring to. > > This is part of the spin problem you guys have. > The pirate captured recently by the military was turned over to > civilian law > enforcement in NYC, just as they have been in almost every war we've > ever been in. > > The way you make it sound is that can't happen because there's no > jurisdiction > of either military or civilian law...it's a new kind of threat that > the US has no > apparent way of dealing with other than torture and long term > detention without > legal discourse. > > What a sad state the former admin left this country in. > > > Our federal government by the mandate of > > the United States Constitution, has a duty to "insure domestic > tranquilty, > > provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare..." > > Of who? Iraqi's apparently. > > > Had the Bush Administration failed to have done as much as they did, we > very > > well might not be having this converstaion right now. > > So prove it then. > Shouldn't be hard, if they didn't make it impossible to begin with > that is. > > They knew full well that destroying all the videos is destroying > proof, and that > any video would be grounds for dismissal in *any* court of law > *anywhere* because it would > be deemed the torture that you say it isn't. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
