Oh, and just for jgg...... each clause is an OR not an AND. Each is self standing.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tell that to the head of various non proffit groups who AQ > beheaded... > > On Apr 24, 11:37 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > Keith, > > > > The very worst way to act is from a position of fear...regardless of > > the situation. > > > > On Apr 24, 9:26 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Good Morning Mark! > > > > > You just answered your own question. > > > > > The twenty eight detainees were not prisoners of war, in the sense of a > foot > > > soldier, as the clause you are referencing is referring to. These > > > individuals where enhanced interrogation tactics were utilized, (and > no, I > > > do not believe that the enhanced interrogation tactics resulted in > torture, > > > I don't think anyone in good conscience can believe that if they read > the > > > Memoranda) were homicidal murderers intent on killing Americans. > > > > > Further, out of the over nine hundred that were captured and detained, > based > > > on the information that has been released to date, only 28 of them were > > > exposed to any coercive interrogation tactics in order to obtain > > > information. The remaining nine hundred plus, were treated no > differently > > > than any other American prisoner in the federal Bureau of Prisons' > system, > > > as can be witnessed at both Baghdad Central Prison and Guantanamo. > > > > > Folks keep forgetting the era also. At the time that these enhanced > > > interrogation tactics were being utilized, on the twenty eight that are > > > being referenced, our intelligence departments literally did not know > who, > > > or what we were dealing with, and especially where or when the next > wave of > > > attacks were coming. All Americans were fearful of dirty bombs, > chemical > > > attacks, or planes being flown into our skyscrapers. It wasn't a > question > > > of "if" but a question of "when". Our federal government by the > mandate of > > > the United States Constitution, has a duty to "insure domestic > tranquilty, > > > provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare..." > > > > > Had the Bush Administration failed to have done as much as they did, we > very > > > well might not be having this converstaion right now. > > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:40 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Keith, > > > > > > How is this for Myth ?? > > > > > > QUOTE<<<<No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of > > > > coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them > > > > information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to > > > > answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant > > > > or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.>>>>>UNQUOTE Part III : > > > > Captivity #Section I : Beginning of captivity ARTICLE 17 > > > > > > Now we are back to discussing the POW definition. The law is VERY > > > > specific. NEXT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > On Apr 23, 8:20 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Waterboarding as it was applied to THE THREE HOMICIDAL MURDERERS > THAT > > > > WERE > > > > > ATTEMPTING TO KILL YOU was not specifically against any > international law > > > > or > > > > > treatise that the United States was a signatory. > > > > > > > Waterboarding as we applied it, was not torture! > > > > > > > MoonbatMyths!!!! > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:26 PM, studio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 10:21 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I think a better way of framing your question Studio, is, "That > if > > > > the > > > > > > > enhanced interrogation technique of waterboarding is 'torture', > then > > > > how > > > > > > > does one survive the procedure after 183 times?" > > > > > > > > I don't know, let's try it on you to make sure. > > > > > > > > The fact is the US was a International signatory against torture, > > > > > > which also > > > > > > includes water boarding. > > > > > > It was and is against the law, period. > > > > > > > > It's really nice how you conservative moralists love telling > everyone > > > > > > how > > > > > > moral and effective torture is. > > > > > > > > INTERROGATOR: > > > > > > Have you been ripping the American people off for the last eight > > > > > > years? > > > > > > > > BUSH - CHENEY: > > > > > > No, we were protecting... > > > > > > > > INTERROGATOR: > > > > > > Fill 'em up boys, they'll tell us what we want to hear even if it > > > > > > takes 183 times.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. 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