The purpose of raising trials and investigations is not to actually change US policy
Obama is bombing suspected terrorist to death without trials so clearly he would torture them too The purpose is to silence Cheney and Condoleeza Rice and others so they will not criticize the Obama regime in public which Cheney has been doing Just as the purpose of regulations and investigations of bankers and CEOs is to let them know that if they criticize Obama's failing economic policies they willlose their shirts and end up in prison. And of course also to replace CEOs, who already donate heavily to the Demwit party, with new CEOs like Franklin Raines, who will be Odumba campaign donors. On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 3:28 AM, iloveubuntulinux <[email protected]>wrote: > > > [image: WHOS GOING TO JAIL] > > http://www.thedailybeast.com/big-fat-story/2009-04-23/the-consequences-of-torture/ > > [image: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney] > BUSH AND CHENEY > Odds: SAFE > > Indicting the Big Two would be politically untenable. > > Prosecution against President Bush and Vice President Cheney seems very > unlikely given how politically explosive such a case would become. But the > pair are not without their vulnerabilities. Bush has said in interviews that > he was aware that his Cabinet discussed specific interrogation techniques, > such as waterboarding, that were used against al Qaeda operatives, and > approved of their actions. Some legal experts, like George Washington Law > School Professor Jonathan Turley, have > called<http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/turley_we_need_a_special_torture_prosecutor_not_so.php>for > a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush and Cheney committed > war crimes by ordering torture and liberal activist group MoveOn.org began a > push this week > targeting<http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/MoveOn_ups_torture_pressure.html>Cheney > on similar grounds. "A war crime investigation does not look at the > people who drove the trains, they look at the people who told the trains to > roll," Turley told MSNBC's David Schuster. Reports that the White House > pressured interrogators to torture subjects in order to find links between > Iraq and al Qaeda that could have bolstered the case for deposing Saddam > Hussein do not help <http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html>their > case. > > Photo: Alex Wong / Getty Images > [image: Mao > Zedong]<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22detain.html?ref=us> > BAD BEDFELLOWS > Torture's Twisted Roots > > Many of the techniques authorized were previously used by dictatorships. > The New York > Times<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22detain.html?ref=us> > > One disturbing element of the torture scandal is the origins of the > techniques used against suspected terrorists. According to The New York > Times, Bush officials failed to take into account previous government > studies on tactics like waterboarding, which was used under the Cambodian > dictator Pol Pot and by Communist China. According to The Times, one > official study in the 1950s of Chinese tactics, including sleep deprivation, > stress positions, and other techniques similar to ones described in > declassified torture memos, said that "all of them produce great discomfort, > and lead to serious disturbances of many bodily processes; there is no > reason to differentiate them from any other form of torture" and that these > methods often produced false confessions. Techniques taken from a military > training operation called SERE also ignored the fact that the program was > created "to give American pilots and soldiers a sample of the torture > methods used by Communists in the Korean War, methods that had wrung false > confessions from Americans." According to The Times, some administration > officials say they would have advised against using these tactics had they > been aware of their dark history. > > Photo: Hsinhua News Agency / AP Photo > [image: Donald > Rumsfeld]<http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/Story?id=4635175&page=1> > THE CABINET > Odds: DOUBTFUL BUT POSSIBLE > > Everyone from Donald Rumsfeld to Condoleezza Rice to John Ashcroft could be > vulnerable. > ABC News<http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/Story?id=4635175&page=1> > > While the focus in recent days has been on the legal architects behind > torture, key members of the Bush Cabinet could also be vulnerable to > eventual prosecution. Starting in 2002, members of the National Security > Council, which include such major players as former National Security > Adviser and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, former Attorney General > John Ashcroft, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, were part of an > elite group of officials who repeatedly discussed and approved specific > details as to what techniques could be used against suspected al Qaeda > members. Their involvement in the nitty-gritty of interrogation could make > them vulnerable to charges of conspiracy to torture should they catch the > attention of prosecutors. One Cabinet member who could be in particularly > dangerous territory is former Secretary of Defense Donald > Rumsfeld<http://www.salon.com/src/pass/sitepass/spon/sitepass_website.html>, > who is singled out in the Senate Armed Services Committee report on torture > as contributing to the crimes committed at Abu Ghraib. "The abuse of > detainees at Abu Ghraib in late 2003 was not simply a result of a few > soldiers acting on their own," the Senate report reads. "Rumsfeld's > authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques and subsequent > interrogation policies and plans approved by senior military and civilian > officers conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were > appropriate treatment for detainees in U.S. military custody." > > Photo: Dennis Cook / AP Photo > The Consequences of Torture [image: The Consequences of Torture] > Ron Edmonds / AP Photo > > With this week's myriad revelations on torture, the prospective targets of > prosecution and impeachment have suddenly grown from the so-called Bush 6 to > potentially dozens of officials, lawyers, and interrogators who brought us > waterboarding, sleep deprivation, stress positions, and "walling," Here's a > look at the odds each group involved, from President Bush himself to > mid-level lawyers, face of court proceedings. > [image: CIA > seal]<http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1627971620090416?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true> > THE INTERROGATORS > Odds: SAFE > > Obama shields the CIA officers who carried out now-banned techniques. > Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1627971620090416?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true> > > President Obama released a series of declassified memos this week detailing > the inner workings of the Bush administration's torture techniques, which > included everything from sleep deprivation and forced nudity to placing > insects in confined spaces with one prisoner. But the president was quick to > add that the intelligence officers who carried out these acts would not face > prosecution. "The men and women of our intelligence community serve > courageously on the front lines of a dangerous world," he said in a written > statement that accompanied the memos. "We must provide them with the > confidence that they can do their jobs." The decision reflected concerns > that CIA officers might be afraid to carry out their orders out of concern > that they could one day be prosecuted for actions considered legal at the > time by their superiors. The officials who authorized the interrogations may > be less lucky, however, as President Obama declined to give them a similar > statement of protection. > > Photo: David Burnett, pool / Getty Images > [image: Eric > Holder]<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/21/AR2009042101692.html?hpid=topnews> > THE LEGAL EAGLES > Odds: TROUBLE AHEAD > > The lawyers who justified torture may see their day in court. > Washington > Post<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/21/AR2009042101692.html?hpid=topnews> > > Of all the people involved in the temporary legalization of torture, none > are more vulnerable than the lawyers whose memos provided the legal > framework for the Bush administration's interrogation policies. While Obama > Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel initially spoke against investigating former > White House officials over torture, the decision is a legal one, not a > political one, and thus ultimately up to Attorney General Eric Holder. > President Obama > clarified<http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-22/obamas-about-face-on-prosecution/>this > point later, saying that "with respect to those who formulated those > legal decisions, I would say that that is going to be more of a decision for > the attorney general within the parameters of various laws, and I don't want > to prejudge that." Former President Bush and other officials who approved > torture techniques have justified their actions by claiming that their legal > advisers had signed off on the policies. These lawyers issued a series of > memos giving approval to enhanced interrogation techniques, creating a paper > trail that could put them on the hot seat if prosecutors decide to follow > through on the case. Some of those involved in drafting the opinions include > former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Dick Cheney's former Chief of > Staff David Addington, and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Yoo, all > of whom could face potential prosecution down the line. Already, some are > suggesting that one of the memos' authors, former Assistant Attorney General > Jay Bybee, who is currently a federal judge, should be impeached for his > involvement in authorizing torture. Writing in The Daily Beast this week, > former Nixon White House Counsel John Dean > said<http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-21/should-the-judge-who-wrote-the-torture-memos-be-impeached/>that > such a move is unlikely given the narrow scope of impeachment laws for > judges. > > Photo: Win McNamee / Getty Images > [image: Alberto > Gonzales]<http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-16/new-hope-for-the-bush-six/> > FOREIGN COURTS > Odds: ASK JUDGE GARZON > > The architects of Bush's torture policy are already facing potential > prosecution in Europe. > The Daily > Beast<http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-16/new-hope-for-the-bush-six/> > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakes_Political_War_Room/message/218965;_ylc=X3oDMTM4czNtdHFvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5Njg1NzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzIxODk2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDA2NDQ0ODkEdHBjSWQDMjE4OTY1>( > 1) Reply (via web post) > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakes_Political_War_Room/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaHU4bGNwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5Njg1NzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzIxODk2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyNDA2NDQ0ODk-?act=reply&messageNum=218965>| > Start > a new topic > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakes_Political_War_Room/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNHFkc2x0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5Njg1NzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI0MDY0NDQ4OQ--> > > Messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakes_Political_War_Room/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMDIwMGpwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5Njg1NzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTI0MDY0NDQ4OQ-->| > Database<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakes_Political_War_Room/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdnYwZGk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5Njg1NzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiBHN0aW1lAzEyNDA2NDQ0ODk->| > Polls<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jakes_Political_War_Room/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmY3NzbjFtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5Njg1NzQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzEyNDA2NDQ0ODk-> > MARKETPLACE > I'm happy I lost my Job. 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