Mark I am NOT GAAR... I note your confusion about authors and suggest it bleeds into your fictional facts...
On Apr 27, 2:21 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Know what Gaar, your inability to accept things as they are without > inserting a purely uneducated Gringo twist to absolutely every word says it > sll about you. You do not have the capabilit of reading a document and > gathering first the broad intention and then going to the various parts and > maintain the viewpoint exhibited as is necessary to reach an > understanding..... this really is a "gringo"centric problem.... you must be > proud that no child was left behind.... > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Here we go again with you redefining terms to preclude admitting an > > error.. > > > Your claim was "No coalition" not "small as the active participant > > group was it was > > not worthy of being called a coalition"... > > > >>> Show me ANYTHING that Saddam had that was not on the weapons inspectors > > reports.... > > > A rocket motor for one... Which as a part of a delivery system was > > banned WMD material... > > > >>> that was an EMINENT danger to US sovereign territory > > > Here you alter your definition to limit your statement to a > > meaningless bumper sticker... National intersels entail properity, > > and ALLIES sovereign property as you know all too well.. And of > > course there is the term "Here you alter your definition to limit your > > statement to a meaningless bumper sticker... National intersels > > entail properity, and ALLIES sovereign property as you know all too > > well.. And of course there is the term ".. Is that 1 minute? 1 > > hour?, or 3 months??? As it only take a couple of weeks to > > transport, then use chemical or biological WMD It is shorter than > > months... > > > >>> To call into the matter the UN sanctions is to self indict. It is > > necessary for a use of force decision by the UN....... please display tat > > text for me. OH !! there is none. > > > except of course the UNSC is littered with Chapter VII Resolution > > authorizing force all stemming for the 1st Gulf War treaty... I note > > also the claim that a 2nd Resolution was required IS A DEBATABLE > > point... You make the assumption ONLY YOUR SIDE HAS TRUTH... > > > I suggest Mark you stop seeking to win debate by evering changing > > definitions and straw-men and false facts... > > On Apr 25, 3:21 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well DOLT, you claim "Because there is no coalition" > > > > > There always was even in 2002... To claim Britain was not part of > > > > the coalition in the fall of 2002 is simplely wrong... > > > > No, the claim was that as small as the active participant group was it > > was > > > not worthy of being called a coalition. The first Gulf war had a true > > > "coalition".... compare it to that please > > > > > During the last half of the 20th century, this principle was expanded > > > > internationally through the United Nations. The U.N. weapons > > > > inspections in Iraq represent a good example of how the rule of law > > > > has been used, and can be used again, to avert conflict. > > > > > Then you claim this as a 2002 fact... Problem is Bush said he would > > > > enforce the UNSC Resolution even after 12 years of refusal to do > > > > so... You said the UN had been effective up to 2002.. Truth is it > > > > had not been as evidenced by Saddam 12 years of refusing to abide by > > > > UN Resolutions... > > > > Show me ANYTHING that Saddam had that was not on the weapons inspectors > > > reports.... > > > > > Except it hasn't... Only when all 5 veto holding powers agree can it > > > > act... And then the restrictions are usually such that action is > > > > ineffective... Please note Saddam ignore 12 years of Chapter VII > > > > Resolutions because he had bribe the UNSC from taken action... > > > > According to the inspection reports this is false. Again show me one > > thing > > > he had that was not listed in those reports and show me where a single > > > prewar Iraquian finger was lifted that was an EMMINENT danger to US > > > sovereign territory. Show me ONE Bush prewar claim that has held up. > > > > To call into the matter the UN sanctions is to self indict. It is > > necessary > > > for a use of force decision by the UN....... please display tat text for > > me. > > > OH !! there is none. > > > > > As to the point of certitude, that too relates to the facts as in > > > > place in 2002... The major intell agencie were of the consensus > > > > Saddam had WMD or WMD components in the fall of 2002... > > > > Wrong. the Senate report says otherwise and so did German intelligence > > > (noted in report). The greatest "threat" posed by Bush was nuclear... > > since > > > all material (500 tons of yellowcake) in iraqi possession was (given to > > them > > > by the US along with the research reactor) accounted for to the gram post > > > war and in the inspection reports as well was discounted ENTIRELY by said > > > germans (the originators of the report that Bush quoted incorrectly) > > there > > > is indeed a HUGE strawman... his name is Bush and ALL his stated reasons > > for > > > urgency of any type have been shot down in their entirty. > > > > Proof to the contrary list all nukes, bio agents, non-conforming delivery > > > rockets and wmds as outlined by Bush in address to congrees that were > > found > > > please... > > > > > So you resort to name calling and straw-men... > > > > > On Apr 25, 11:51 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This was written PREwar you dolt. please cite EXACTLY which facts are > > > > > wrong.... you failed to do so AGAIN, which means there is no > > > > > arguement, no proof. Everything written was upheld by the Republican > > > > > controlled senate intelligence commitee in 2006. Go figure. kinda > > like > > > > > a ventriloquist and burro.......... he talked out of his ass as well. > > > > > > On Apr 25, 8:53 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> Bush also spoke of an "international coalition" that would > > disarm > > > > Hussein. Bush knows the American public is loathe to go it alone. What > > he > > > > failed to do was tell us who the members of his war coalition are. Why? > > > > Because there is no coalition. > > > > > > > Per usual, your facts are wrong ... > > > > > > > >>> During the last half of the 20th century, this principle was > > > > expanded internationally through the United Nations. The U.N. weapons > > > > inspections in Iraq represent a good example of how the rule of law has > > been > > > > used, and can be used again, to avert conflict. > > > > > > > Except it hasn't... Only when all 5 veto holding powers agree can > > it > > > > > > act... And then the restrictions are usually such that action is > > > > > > ineffective... Please note Saddam ignore 12 years of Chapter VII > > > > > > Resolutions because he had bribe the UNSC from taken action... > > > > > > > >>> By tossing out any reasonable standards of evidence as a > > > > prerequisite for military action, the White House puts us in a state of > > > > constant uncertainty and increased insecurity where almost anything > > could > > > > lead to war. > > > > > > > Except to you reasonable means certitude... Read Eisenhower's > > > > > > farewell speech... He notes that a nation can not wait to prepare > > for > > > > > > war after the fact (as had been the case)... The slippery Slope > > of > > > > > > Technology and Modern Communication decreases the reaction time > > > > > > between certitude and uncertainty.... Today Saddam could have > > > > > > produced, delivered then used chemical or biological WMD in a > > matter > > > > > > of weeks... > > > > > > > Further you ignore the consensus of the world's major intel agency > > > > > > that Saddam had WMD capacity of some level... Again you twist > > facts > > > > > > to fit an ideology... > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 8:51 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Keith In Tampa < > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Studio, > > > > > > > > > Horse Hockey. > > > > > > > > > There is no spin here. I reference the Preamble of the > > > > Constitution > > > > > > > > because OUR Nation was being attacked, and WE ALL believed that > > > > more attacks > > > > > > > > were going to happen. Osama bin Laden promised as much. Khalid > > > > Shaykh > > > > > > > > Mohammad promised as much, Abu Zumdayah promised as much. Abu > > al > > > > Nashiri > > > > > > > > promised as much. > > > > > > > > Small and isinificant points: > > > > > > > > The preamble applies on US soil ONLY. > > > > > > > > I believe my neighbor is selling black mold tainted marihuana by > > the > > > > ton... > > > > > > > this will kill or make deathly ill 1000's ............ can I use > > > > "advanced" > > > > > > > questioning techniques and if not why not ?? > > > > > > > > > The pirate that was turned over to civilian prosecution is > > > > something that > > > > > > > > has been happening in our Nation for over two hundred years, > > > > nothing new > > > > > > > > here. It is called Admiralty-Maritime Law, and *in-rem* > > > > prosecution. > > > > > > > > There is no comparison between the piracy off the coast of > > Somalia, > > > > and > > > > > > > > homicidal murderers who are intent on attacking and killing > > > > Americans in our > > > > > > > > own Nation. > > > > > > > > Agreed..... > > > > > > > > > Iraq's internal affairs has nothing to do with our own, other > > than > > > > > > > > there were a haven of these homicidal murderers convened within > > the > > > > borders > > > > > > > > of Iraq, most especially after we as a Nation decided to remove > > > > Saddam > > > > > > > > Hussien from power in a preemptive attack. > > > > > > > > Long but a complete answer written in 2002 and every word is > > still > > > > true (and > > > > > > > proven to be so) > > > > > > > > In > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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