As I incorporated it in my post I would have had to trip over it... Now there is a flip side here... The party hacks of the party in power seek to nuance issue from Black & White into Gray, because governing requires compromised decisions usually... Hence, the reasoning tends to be more logical and forgiving than the puritanical black & white aha oppositional modality... And the new majority CAN NOT be forgiving to their vanquished opponent (Bush) for to do that would admit their own unreasoned positions of the near past...
So Democrats who opposed Bush the missionary for Democracy in principle now can support Obama the missionary for Democracy in principle... It does matter if you reverse your positions, you just must not be seen as ADMITTING PUBLICLY your vanquished and demonized foe was really right all along... On Jun 4, 1:17 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > jgg, > > Did you somehow miss the part where I said BOTH parties partisan hacks > need to grow up? > > On Jun 4, 11:44 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I write a post saying the party out of power using rumor-mongering to > > regain power, which is true... I say they are both very silly > > silly... I conclude by saying an independent saw and sees this > > tactic as partisan ans silly... .How did you reply and what does > > your post tell me??? > > > >>> Here we go again, "but MAAAAAAAW, they did it FIRST!!!!" No body ever > > >>> seems to grow up, not the fuckin' Democratic partisan hacks or the > > >>> Republican partisan hacks. > > > The issue here is not about > > > 1) who did it first, > > 2) placing blame, > > 3) assuming such tactics is childish or grown-up > > > What the issue here is > > > 1) unbridled partisanship involves a lust for power and willingness to > > most anything for power > > 2) Independence requires a rejection of rumor-mongering > > > What does your response say > > > 1) Your initial "but MAAAAAW" assumes all mudsling 24/7, and all do > > not > > 2) It is not about growing up -- the partisans who do it already ARE > > grown-up with a developed lust for power for their group > > 3) unless one stops and considers issues from all sides, serious > > discuss can not be had > > > Frankly I think Madison had it right, the best government requires you > > toss in all sides as all sides have human greed and have them contain > > the other's greed.... It will be fun to watch Obama's folk reveal > > their greed and see how long it takes true believers to condemn it.... > > > On Jun 4, 12:00 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > jgg, > > > > Here we go again, "but MAAAAAAAW, they did it FIRST!!!!" > > > No body ever seems to grow up, not the fuckin' Democratic partisan > > > hacks or the Republican partisan hacks. > > > > On Jun 4, 10:46 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > When Bush was President the Left was the source of much very silly > > > > rumor-mongering for the purposes of partisan gain... Which Obama as > > > > President the Right takes up this tactic with the same very silly > > > > types of rumors.... > > > > > Perhaps a functional definition of an independent voter is a voter who > > > > sees both sides rumor-mongering as partisan and very silly, then and > > > > now... > > > > > On Jun 4, 11:34 am, Diogenes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Aside from drumming up hysteria over a possible bombing plot, what is > > > > > it you are attempting to get to? As with too many on this site which I > > > > > came for discussion not radical agenda's there is a dearth of > > > > > discussion and way too much radical rhetoric which serves no useful > > > > > purpose. If you attempting to persuade thought I would suggest that > > > > > you and your ilk attempt to offer more reasoned approach and less > > > > > bumper sticker comments. > > > > > > On Jun 4, 10:52 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > *Did Bomb Bring Down French > > > > > > Airbus?*<http://www.prisonplanet.com/did-bomb-bring-down-french-airbus.html> > > > > > > *Infowars, *June 4, 2009 > > > > > > > The corporate media reports that the Air France airbus that went > > > > > > down in the > > > > > > Atlantic was a victim of “updrafts and lightning” from tropical > > > > > > thunderstorms. “The Airbus A330-200 lost contact with controllers > > > > > > after > > > > > > hitting turbulence as it flew to Paris from Rio de Janeiro. 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