Holly,
My original point, in my original message in this thread, was that President Obama was cow-towing to the individuals who belong to the dangerous cult of Islam. That President Obama, during his "Kiss Islam's Ass" tour, managed to piss off one of our allies, a very important ally, that being Germany. In my initial message, I did say that Germany was one of our "oldest and staunchest" allies, but later came back and admitted that to coin Germany as one of our "oldest" allies was somewhat misplaced on my part. The length of time that Germany has been an ally to the United States had relatively little, or really nothing to do with the point of what I was attempting to convey! Then, you chose to get off on making prevaricate, inaccurate statements regarding Germany's health care system, and framed the German Nation-State as "socialist", which, as compared to most of Europe, Germany is far less socialist as its European compatriots. Again, I took the time to correct your misprisons of the truth, which.....Again, has nothing to do with our President making demoralizing, debilitating statements about our Nation, as the leader of the Free World. So, in sum, as of 16:30 ET., you have not at all addressed what the issues were that were initially being discussed, but instead have nic-picked trivial insignificant verbiage that has absolutely nothing to do with the context of what this discussion was revoling around, and you have failed to even address nor have you attempted to disprove what it was that I initially said. You then have the audacity to claim that I am "endlessly changing points"? LOL!!! On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > KIT, > > Lad, I did not claim that Germany's health system was the same as the > Netherlands or the Brits. Didn't say people here were refused health > care if they were poor. > > My but you are chatty today. Now you want to talk about Germant's tax > codes and insist THE POINT really is President Obama insulting some > European leaders (in your opinion). > > All this endlessly changing points and talk stemming from my comment > that Germany is hardly our "oldest and staunchest" ally? > > On Jun 6, 2:41 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Holly, > > > > You Sir, are the master of attempting to stray off course, and focus > among > > the most trivial of comments, while avoiding the issues!! > > > > But, in order to address your mis-statements, no, Germany does not have a > > "Nationalized Health Care" system such as can be found in the Netherlands > or > > in Great Britain per se. Germany does have a varied form of universal > > health care, which is similar to the system that is currently in place > here > > in the United States. There is no one in the United States who can be > > refused health care treatment if they are hurt, or sick, and most > especially > > if they are poor or indigent!! > > > > More importantly, Germany has a federal and state income tax rate, which > is > > about similar to our own, and the German peoples receive far more > benefits > > from their government than the average American does. > > > > The point, which you obviously don't want to address, is that President > > Obama went over to Germany last week, and insulted Chancellor Merckle, as > he > > has now done with the Prime Minister of Great Britain, the President of > > France, the Prime Minister of Australia, and most all of America's > > allies. Again, your partisanship is blinding your logical, rational, > > critical thinking abilities Holly!! > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Hollywood <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > "Somewhat misplaced"? LOL! > > > Lad, you did not tell me you wanted to discuss the economy of Germany. > > > Why do you always want to discuss theings I didn't comment on and did > > > not even know where on the table for discussion? Doesn't Germany have > > > nationalized health care, doesn't that make them socialists? :-) > > > > > Keep trying Keith. > > > > > On Jun 6, 10:23 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Holly, > > > > > > Germany is a Nation that is younger than the United States, so I will > > > > concede that to have said, "oldest" was somewhat misplaced. > > > > > > Germany has the most dynamic economy of any European Nation-State. > > > Germany > > > > was rebuilt by the United States under the Marshall plan. It has > been > > > > Germany who has sided with the United States as much if not more so > than > > > > Great Britain, especially during the 1960s and early 1970s when Great > > > > Britain forced the United States off of the silver standard. > > > > > > Once again, you have demonstrated that it is you who is ignorant of > > > > historical facts, and I surmise this is caused by your partisan > stance > > > and > > > > refusing to admit when your Party has been infiltrated by Socialists > > > intent > > > > on destroying the very fabric of our Nation. > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Hollywood < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > rigs, > > > > > > > Only historical point I made was that to call Germany "our oldest > and > > > > > closest ally" was in error considering the fact of WWI and WWII. > > > > > What is your view on the statement that "Germany is our OLDEST and > > > > > staunchest ally"? > > > > > > > Made no mention of Isreal whatsoever. > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 8:59 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It made your post understandable to me in the context of my view > of > > > > > > history as opposed to your view. I think we should agree to > disagree > > > > > > as we never seem to see eye-to-eye. I consider Obama's Cairo > speech > > > an > > > > > > insult to Israel and his view of Islam's history was not > accurate. > > > > > > It's all about his image. Well, if we knife Israel in the back, > > > > > > perhaps Russia will have a greater influence with Israel rather > than > > > > > > the USA. At one time I think 1/5 of Israelis were descended from > > > > > > Russia. > > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 8:11 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > rigs, > > > > > > > > > No doubt. But what does that have to do with my post? > > > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 3:56 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There were a lot of German immigrants to America. It must > have > > > been > > > > > > > > terrible to destroy their ancestral homeland. We fought to > save > > > the > > > > > > > > British and French colonial empires- which we had thrown off- > > > which > > > > > > > > they lost, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 9:11 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, "our oldest and staunchest ally"? What about those > > > little > > > > > > > > > spats commonly referred to as WWI and WWII. What does > > > tomorrow's > > > > > date > > > > > > > > > commerate? > > > > > > > > > Who's the dumbass? > > > > > > > > > General Motors put General Motors into bankruptacy. How the > > > fuck > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > President Obama "destroy General Motors?" GM BEGGED for the > > > fucking > > > > > > > > > money. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 8:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can support that total asshole on his "America > > > Apologizes" > > > > > tour, > > > > > > > > > > while he has kissed the proverbial ass of Islam, and at > the > > > same > > > > > time pissed > > > > > > > > > > off our oldest and staunchest ally, Germany, then you are > so > > > > > friggin' > > > > > > > > > > confused and blinded by the stupid rhetoric that you have > > > been > > > > > posting. All > > > > > > > > > > Americans, from both sides of the aisle should be > outraged!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > This man who is parading as our President is supposedly > > > Harvard > > > > > educated? > > > > > > > > > > He is a dumbass, with no clue!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Fritz, you, and all of you those who supported this > > > socialistic > > > > > horse hockey > > > > > > > > > > should be ashamed!! Our Nation is in literally in danger! > > > This > > > > > man has > > > > > > > > > > destroyed General Motors, while at the same time ruining > our > > > > > reputation > > > > > > > > > > abroad, and all you can do is bash the Republican Party?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wake up Fritzie, and smell the coffee!! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Fritz da Cat < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't trust right wingnut pieces of shit. PERIOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2:49 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont trust no damn commie muzzie pieces of shit > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Fritz da Cat < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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