Keith, While I have indeed seen a letter co-written by some Islamic mid-levels and various Christian and Jewish equals it opined a position of solidarity and cooperation (cooperation in what I don't know, it was not detailed). There was certainly NO condemnation of any specific activities, groups or supporting (overt or covert) nations.
Just a group of cowards trying to lay off blame to an undefined group of "others". On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > Well said Mark. > > I have challenged a number of members here in the Group to produce any > record, document, or data that shows where any Muslim cleric, Imam, Grand > Mufti, or any individual who who holds Islamic tenets and beliefs, has > spoken out against the fundamentalists that now control the theocratic > ideologies of Islam. The bottom line, is that Islam has not reformed like > Judaism and Christianity has on countless occasions, and although Islam is > relatvely modern as compared to Christianity and Judaism, Islam is still > caught up in the 11th and 12th Centuries. > > To define and describe Islam as a peaceful religion is not at all > accurate. Islam's roots are well documented, originating with a > supernatural experience in a cave that left a young Mohammad with the firm > belief that the archangel Gabriel had summoned him to be God's messenger on > Earth. Islam in and of itself, was born in violence. Not only did the angel > allegedly try to choke Mohammad to death at one point, so did his tribe, the > "Quraysh". > > From its very inception, Islam (according to Aiesha, Mohammad's 11 year old > wife, and written in Haddith, 5:23; and Akbar, the best translation is > "surrender") has been about a fight to survive. Mohammad called this > principle "Jihad", and drew two distinctions. Ultimately the greater jihad, > "Jihad al Akbar", was the struggle to perfect oneself, the struggle to be a > better person in the eyes of Allah. But I opine more importantly according > to Mohammad, was the lesser jihad, "Jihad al Asghar" – the struggle to > defeat infidels, non-believers and opponents who threatened the faith. > The events we are seeing in Iran are nothing different than any other > brutal regime attempting to keep in check its population, such as Tiannamen > Square in China, the Soviets in Poland, Hungrary and East Germany in the > middle of the 20th Century. > > Folks forget how at one time, Muslims lived a fairly western lifestyle in > what is now the former Yugoslavia. Today, if you were to visit that region, > *e.g*.; Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Republica Srpska; and see > the ethnic cleansing.....Not the ethnic cleansing purportedly by Slobodan > Milosevic and the Serbs, but by fellow Muslims, those that are both Sunni > and Shia. Those that are more "orthodox" Muslims are in fact killing those > Muslims who have adopted what many perceive as a "moderate", western way of > life! Those that interpret the Q'uoran literally have no use for "moderate" > Muslims, anymore than they do for infidels, which encompasses the majority > of the world. > > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The impression given by the few of over a billion Islamists is all the >> world will ever see because the Majority of Muslims (who do practice a >> religion of peace) sit idly by and do and say nothing in any way that >> matters. >> >> In WWll for instance large populations of well intended Germans, Italians >> and Japanese that were living in and trying to assimilate to other countries >> enlisted enmasse and fought the tyranny of the "homelands". >> >> I see or hear of NO Muslim activity actively opposing the "Islamic >> terrorist". Where is thier "excommunication" if indeed the majority are >> peaceful and adapting to an enlightened vision (even if it be a Moslem >> vision) of the role of Islam and interpretation of the Koran ?? >> >> My daughter in law speaks out and is listened to but stops short of >> donating time and money (or starting one) to any (if one exists) Islamic >> ant-terrorist movement. >> >> Complacency is NOT an option. >> >> As much as I dislike Travis's (stated) position on the matter ...... I do >> appreciate that he takes a position. >> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:45 AM, dick thompson <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> RIGHT!! >>> >>> mouslim girl wrote: >>> > Thank you for your interest and your response on the issue >>> > But it must be pointed out that Iran did not represent true Islam >>> > Since they belong to the Shiites and the teams outside of Islam >>> > It calls for violence, in contrast to the true Islam >>> > Islam is a religion of tolerance and peace >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark M. Kahle, , >>> www.filacoffee.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
