Is that why they fly into windows and jet plane engines? On Jun 28, 12:29�pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Agriculture works just fine under the wind mills and the birds do have eyes. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, dick thompson > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > But they will and you know they will. �We will find the equivalent of > > spiking trees by groups like ELF sabotaging the windmills and solar panels > > because of the migratory birds. � And I would assume West Texas is also > > good �for other things as well. �Don't they have agriculture there now? > > Where are you going to put that? > > > RichardForbes wrote: > > > West Texas would be an option, if the ecologists don't ruin it by > > worrying about migratory birds. > > > On Jun 28, 10:46 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Where are you going to put all of them. �When you look at what they > > produce from acres of solar panels and windmills, which are dependent on > > the wind blowing at a certain minimum speed even to work at all and then > > the noise they make disturbs the fauna of the area, what would be enough > > of them. �Add to that all the NIMBY of those who live where the > > windmills would work andyou have a problem, especially when the NIMBY > > folks are congressmen and senators (Kerry, Kennedy, Frank, Markey ring a > > bell?). �Then there is the storage and transportation problem of the > > product which is not working well yet either. �I can see doing research > > on these methods but I cannot see stopping the production of what we > > know works and the outlawing of other means of production which we know > > can produce what is required while the research is going on. �That is > > what has been going on with out congressmen and senators and the > > no-drilling legislation. �We hear that it will take 10 years to bring > > the wells on line - and we have been hearing this for years now. �If > > they had drilled when the subject first came up, the wells would be > > online now and we would not be dependent on foreign oil now but I guess > > our betters missed that point. > > > Mark wrote: > > > Gee dick.... there are not enough of them... > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:26 AM, dick thompson > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > � � And they are not capable of meeting even a small percentage of the > > � � US use of electricity. �Nor will they be able to in the near future. > > > � � I was talking about the carbon credits. �The credits are used to > > � � plant trees, not windmills. �Guess you missed that point. > > > � � Mark wrote: > > > � � �Dick, > > > � � �Just what are you talking about..... Alternative energy sources > > � � exist NOW. just go to Palm Springs and look at the hill sides... > > � � anybody can count the numbers of wind turbines.. no science > > � � involved. A geo-thermal plant is easily identified as is a > > � � nuclear plant and a hydoelectric dam, hearing people KNOW the > > � � difference between an electric car and a gas/diesel motor (the > > � � deaf look for the tail pipe or lack thereof) �There is NO mystery > > � � in accountability. You simply use oil profits to put itself out > > � � of business. > > > � � �On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:36 AM, dick thompson > > � � <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > � � � � �How would you do that and how would you enforce it. > > > � � � � �Reminds me of the carbon trade/carbon credits scam. �You pay > > � � � � x amount of dollars to plant trees somewhere and that gives > > � � � � you the right to trash the regulatory laws about energy use. > > � � � � At what point do you prove that those dollars actually > > � � � � planted trees that are going to be taken care of and replace > > � � � � the carbon you used up. �That part of the equation is > > � � � � missing. �Do you think that those peons who plant the trees > > � � � � are going to insure that they grow and prosper? �If you don't > > � � � � enforce the one side of the equation, then you do not have an > > � � � � equation at all, you have a scam, and that is what it is. > > � � � � Same principle with your suggestion. �I can throw x amount of > > � � � � dollars at alternate energy source research but unless it is > > � � � � actually tracked to make sure it is used as it is supposed to > > � � � � be then it is garbage. �Look at the AGW conference that was > > � � � � held earlier this year. �They held it in Bali and the > > � � � � attendees all flew in on their private jets for a week of > > � � � � swanning around a fancy resort and making soundbites about > > � � � � all the good they were doing. �Then they got back in their > > � � � � private jets and flew elsewhere to tell us we need to > > � � � � conserve energy and use one sheet of toilet paper and pay > > � � � � twice as much in gas tax and pay more for heating and cooling > > � � � � because it is for the good of the environment and for the > > � � � � cheeellllddddrrrreeeennnn. �Thank you Algore. > > > � � � � �THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: > > > � � � � Keith, who owns and therefore profits from oil exploration and > > � � � � subsequent drilling has EVERYTHING to do with whether or not it is > > � � � � actually done or even allowed. If the Gringo-American people > > actually > > � � � � had a vested interest in oil and its profits (not just the taxes > > from > > � � � � its use) you could bet that derricks would be springing up all over > > � � � � the place as well as refineries and piping systems. Why should they > > � � � � take the chance on despoiling the natural beauty of an area just to > > � � � � have a multinational take the money and run ?? �Unfettered drilling > > � � � � and profit taking by oil that stayed at home would be a great boon > > and > > � � � � even the looneys know that and would, I'm sure, be in favor > > especially > > � � � � if a portion of that profit would be used solely for developing > > � � � � alternative energy and eventually CLOSING the wells and refineries. > > � � � � The Chinese get it.... but they despoil OTHER countries and areas to > > � � � � accomplish the goal of garnering profit for their Government. > > > � � � � �On Jun 27, 6:02 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > � � � � � Holly, > > > � � � � � I don't know what your comment has to do with our Nation having a > > � � � � comprehensive energy plan. � The Chinese at the behest of Cuba is > > getting > > � � � � ready to start drilling just a few miles off of our coastline for > > oil. � We > > � � � � are not, because of the current Administration, who has refused to > > allow for > > � � � � more oil exploration, and instead is "capping and trading" energy, > > under > > � � � � some policy based on fraudulent, non-existent scientific data that > > claims we > > � � � � are "Globally Warming". > > > � � � � � Again, I haven't seen you up in arms about our current lack of a > > � � � � comprehensive energy plan. > > > � � � � � On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Hollywood > > <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > � � � � � KIT, > > > � � � � � The Chinese and Cubans are communists, they own the oil industry > > in > > � � � � their respective countries. They might well pay a private Corp. to > > � � � � explore for and even bring up the product (oil) but the Govt.'s of > > � � � � China & Cuba OWN it. > > > � � � � � On Jun 27, 5:33 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > � � � � � �Why would we want the government involved in regulating this? > > �Why would > > > � � � � � we > > > � � � � � �want the government involved in "capping or trading" energy? > > > � � � � � �Why is our government not encouraging a Comprehensive Energy > > Policy, > > > � � � � � which > > > � � � � � �promotes alternative energies while also attempting to allow for > > private > > � � � � entities to explore for more oil reserves, as are the Chinese and > > Cubans > > � � � � right off of our coast? > > > � � � � � �On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM, ConservativeJack < > > > � � � � � �> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > � � � � � �I don't see anything surprising here. Alternative Energy > > providers say > > � � � � this is a good thing and that it will all be peachy in the end. > > � � � � The companies that stand to lose billions or even eventually be put > > � � � � out of business, claim it's doom and gloom. > > � � � � What else would anyone expect to be said by the opposing sides? > > � � � � So the choice is I can believe one or the other, based on what I > > WANT > > � � � � to believe, or I can believe that both are stating things in terms > > � � � � that suit their own interests and that things will probably end up > > (as > > � � � � always) neither as bad or good as predicted. > > > � � � � � �On Jun 27, 10:35 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > � � � � � � [Get Copyright Permissions] > > � � � � <http://license.icopyright.net/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> > > <http://license.icopyright.net/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> �E-Mail > > � � � � <http://license.icopyright.net/g1/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> > > <http://license.icopyright.net/g1/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> | Print > > � � � � <http://license.icopyright.net/g2/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> > > <http://license.icopyright.net/g2/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> | Save > > � � � � <http://license.icopyright.net/s13/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> > > <http://license.icopyright.net/s13/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> | Post > > � � � � <http://license.icopyright.net/g3/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> > > <http://license.icopyright.net/g3/3.5721?icx_id=D9933DL86> | Get > > ... > > read more �- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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