Good Lord -

You make it sound like one of those on-line match making services.

On Jun 29, 8:56 am, Frederick The Moderate
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 5:45 am, "Mrs. Rabbit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I know I'll be sorry, but please do tell what Jesus *really*
> > thought.  :D
>
> > Seminary?  Really now?
>
> At one time, I thought about becoming a pastor. So I got my degree in
> theology (you need a Masters in Divinity to be ordained by most
> churches). The focus of my studies was ancient Hebrew & Aramaic
> customs and idioms.
>
> So what Jesus really taught? Just my opinion but there is MUCH to back
> it up. And it wasn't everything I believe, just a few points that were
> in direct contrast with most (Western) Christian churches that seem to
> ignore well, a LOT.
> 1. Jesus did not come to start a new religion. He came to open the
> Jewish belief in only one God, up to everyone else.
> 2. The Jews had forgotten God's message and turned religion into
> exactly what Travis and Richard talk about it being nowadays: a venue
> of exclusivity, arrogance and politics. Jesus' message was for the
> Jews to quit being "holier than thou", stop judging others and just do
> their best to live their own lives as spiritually as possible.
> Nowadays, this means that 99.9% of everything God creates, will be
> kept alive forever, for the purpose of crueltym because they are not
> just like "Christians". Swell. Wrong though.
> 3. Jesus did his best to make it clear: Whomever you would be quickest
> to judge (Samaritans, women, gays, Muslims etc) should be the person
> you make it your quest to learn to appreciate and if possible, even
> love. Later that came to mean Hate & Judge eveyone who isn't part of
> the Jesus Club.
> 4. Modern Christians are exactly like the Sadduccess and Pharisees
> (the good ol' folks who crucified him) of Jesus' day. Very political
> and self-righteous. Self-appointed to determine which parts of the
> Bible should be taken literally, which should be interpreted and how,
> and why you are going straight to hell if you disagree with them on
> any of this.
> 5. There is no Satan or Hell.
> 6. Revelation was just another piece of coded Apocrypha describing the
> current events of the times just after the crucifixion.
> 7. Jesus did not want this new brand of Judiasm rammed down people's
> throats but rather, growth similar to that of Buddhism - based solely
> on attraction.
>
> There is much more about Western Christian churches with which I
> dissent. I respect people right to believe as they wish so I won't try
> to tell you or anyone else that you're following the "wrong path"
> because it is simply not for me to judge. Which is another difference
> between me and traditional Christians. They want to tell others all
> about their brand of religion without ever listening with an open mind
> or respecting somenone else's.
> All that being said, The Bible and especially the teachings of Jesus
> are my spiritual guide and way.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 1:00 am, Frederick The Moderate
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I was almost banned from seminary for my radical beliefs about
> > > Christianity and what Jesus really taught. Didn't matter. By the time
> > > I got my bachelor's, I'd decided that I loved learning the origins and
> > > histories of various religions but no longer subscribed to the
> > > exclusivity most believed in.
> > > I have a poster from my (soon to be published!) book, I made which
> > > kinda parodies those types of beliefs. I'll send it to the group with
> > > the hopes it doesn't offend as many people at "The Right to bear Arms"
> > > did.
>
> > > On Jun 28, 9:49 pm, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I agree completely Richard.  I'm one of those "spiritual but not
> > > > religious" folks, closer to Buddhism than Christianity in my beliefs.
> > > > But I detest what organized religion has done to religion.
>
> > > > On Jun 28, 8:50 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > I am not agnostic, but I sure am agnostic about attending church.  I
> > > > > learned the necessary lessons lon ago and have no use for being
> > > > > preached to or sold a bill of goods.  Most religious leaders are on a
> > > > > level with used car salesmen and politicians.
>
> > > > > On Jun 28, 2:55 pm, studio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 28, 12:53 am, Frederick The Moderate
>
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Someone posted that there is some pretty extreme prejudice and 
> > > > > > > hatred
> > > > > > > here. True? Not True? What are your thoughts?
>
> > > > > > You found one of them already.
>
> > > > > > But to address your question;
> > > > > > "What do you think of Islam"?
>
> > > > > > I'm rather neutral in my assessment of Islam, much the way I am with
> > > > > > any other religion,
> > > > > > except when they start preaching it to me, or corner me...then I let
> > > > > > 'em have it.
>
> > > > > > I had a Muslim Arab girlfriend at one point, and a couple
> > > > > > acquaintances, so I know the pros and cons.
> > > > > > There are good people from all walks of life regardless what-where-
> > > > > > when-how they come
> > > > > > by it, I don't concentrate on the bad so much unless it actually 
> > > > > > needs
> > > > > > redress.
> > > > > > Of course there are the bad apples also, but Islam has no exclusive
> > > > > > rights to bad teachings.
>
> > > > > > Personally, I'm agnostic, but I don't make a point of preaching it.
> > > > > > Let sleeping dogs lay so to speak.
> > > > > > If someone believes in a God, fine.
> > > > > > But don't be laying your God in my lap...as if you could anyway.- 
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