The USA has cooked its own goose by dividing the population into consumers/celebrity freaks and the military.
On Jul 16, 6:47 pm, Fritz da Cat <[email protected]> wrote: > What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Major Cook has > cooked his own goose. He should now be court martialed. > > On Jul 16, 11:21 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Frederick, > > > IF Obama is found not to be "natural born" that means that any order he gave > > as CIC was fraudulent at the time it was given. There is but ONE solution to > > the problem ..... do as EVERY President has done prior .... release the > > documents having to do with his birth and upbringing. Short of his proving > > his eligibility to be CIC doubt exists and that doubt is reasonable. To > > refuse orders when you doubt the fitness to serve of a senior officer is > > within the scope his sworn duty. > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Frederick The Moderate < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sage, > > > As far as this issue goes, I'm not asserting that Obama will never be > > > kicked out of office for being there illegally (although I'd bet on > > > it!). So let's say that eventually happens. Guess what? UNTIL it > > > happens, every order he issues is a lawful standing order. And as > > > those who for obvious reasons, have never served and yet, love to spew > > > their stupidity are unaware, American servicemen and women ARE > > > government property. Legally. We had a petty officer get a tattoo on > > > his forehead (he was drunk). At Captain's Mast (minor trial), he was > > > found guilty of "defacing GOVERNMENT PROPERTY". That's what you sign > > > up for. Which means that until Obama is found guilty of something in a > > > court of law, his orders are lawful. And here's the kicker: After > > > that, they are STILL lawful unless modified by a new CIC. > > > > On Jul 16, 11:01 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Obama and his entourage are being a divisive > > > > cancer to the defense of the country by refusing to present a legal > > > > document to prove where he was born. Seems to me if he put up everyone > > > > would shut up. > > > > There is a long list of papers & writings that have been hidden by > > > > them as it relates to Hussein ( the socialist ) Obama. > > > > ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > On Jul 16, 1:45 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >His refusal is not based on rumor.... it is based on an absolute lack > > > > > > of proven fact. > > > > > > I don't think that would stand up at a military trial. Regardless of > > > > > his or my doubts about Obama's origins, the court would probably find > > > > > that he cannot disobey orders based on something unproven. > > > > > > On Jul 16, 12:40 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > His refusal is not based on rumor.... it is based on an absolute > > > > > > lack > > > > > > of proven fact. He swore to defend the constitution and based on > > > > > > that > > > > > > to follow lawful orders... those were the terms of his employment > > > with > > > > > > the Army, Aren't the requirements for POTUS/CIC written in black and > > > > > > white in that document ?? Or is it that you have no use for the > > > > > > constitution ?? > > > > > > > If I walk up to him wearing a generals or colenels uniform and give > > > > > > him an order should he follow that order when he knows or truly > > > thinks > > > > > > I am not a real general ?? > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:43 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why is it that you libbies get such delight in the government > > > ruining > > > > > > > peoples lives for political purposes? This guy clearly had no > > > standing > > > > > > > to refuse orders as he cannot claim, based on unsubstantiated > > > rumors, > > > > > > > that the commander in chief is a fraud. He should be treated as a > > > > > > > soldier refusing orders. Not have someone get him fired. > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 9:52 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > db you're laughable. Every soldier is required to obey an order > > > from > > > > > > > > their superior officer and I guarantee that someone between > > > > > > > > Obama > > > and > > > > > > > > this guy, ordered him to go. But that's okay, they had this > > > > > > > > guy's > > > > > > > > sentence figured the moment he filed. Instead of going through > > > all the > > > > > > > > legal bs, they just revoked his security clearance. Guess what > > > kind of > > > > > > > > company he works for? Defense contractor. Makes pretty good > > > > > > > > money > > > too! > > > > > > > > Well, he used to, anyway. Hope his lawyer got paid in advance... > > > > > > > > > Funny thing though. When that soldier refused to go to Iraq in > > > 2006 > > > > > > > > because the WPA made clear that Bush's war was illegal, all the > > > > > > > > Conservatives and GOP called him a traitor and touted how a > > > soldiers > > > > > > > > duty should never be interefered with by politics and Rush > > > Limbaugh > > > > > > > > brought up the point that, if that were allowed, half our armed > > > forces > > > > > > > > could refuse to fight at any given moment etc... Funny how > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > opinion of a soldiers' duty has changed (rather hypocritically) > > > now > > > > > > > > that the politics are on the other foot... > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:35 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm not talking about the courts, but the military. By > > > "revoking" a > > > > > > > > > standing order without explanation or qualification can only > > > mean one > > > > > > > > > thing: the order was unlawful. And since the standing order > > > > > > > > > was > > > issued > > > > > > > > > by the POTUS, the POTUS must be deemed unlawful, therefore > > > defacto. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the Constitution, there is no provision for > > > > > > > > > enforcing > > > the > > > > > > > > > "natural born citizen" rule as it pertains to the president - > > > as a > > > > > > > > > Pennsylvania district court previously pointed out, > > > paraphrasing; > > > > > > > > > "Take the remedy up with the legislative." > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, no US court has entertained the material > > > facts in > > > > > > > > > this/these cases, citing instead the plaintiff's lack of > > > "standing." > > > > > > > > > > The military certainly has "standing," although they're now > > > beyond the > > > > > > > > > court's jurisdiction. The military may, at their discretion, > > > challenge > > > > > > > > > the Commander-in-Chief via an emergency hearing in front of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Supreme Court. Or not, since there is no civilian law on the > > > books to > > > > > > > > > challenge the CIC's citizenship. But there is the lawful > > > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > The civilian courts may choose ignore, potentially inviting a > > > lawful > > > > > > > > > military takeover. The military may also choose to ignore the > > > > > > > > > underlying factor of the revocation, and risk an avalanche of > > > > > > > > > additional challenges. Or, speaking plainly, use the > > > > > > > > > revocation > > > to run > > > > > > > > > Obama out of office because he's not a citizen as required by > > > the > > > > > > > > > Constitution. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 9:41 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > d.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Don't be so fast. We all know the requirements for running > > > for POTUS, > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy of the Constituion on my desk. But who knows > > > for sure > > > > > > > > > > what agency has the responsibility to CONFIRM one's basic > > > > > > > > > > qualifications? Is it the FEC? When I got my passport I had > > > to provide > > > > > > > > > > proof of my citizenship to a specific authority and no one > > > else. Sure > > > > > > > > > > as hell did not have to provide proof to the media or anyone > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > The President has a Passport, social security card, driver's > > > license, > > > > > > > > > > etc. How did he get those? > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:15 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: the US Military is now required to stand > > > > > > > > > > > down. > > > Or request > > > > > > > > > > > orders directly and exclusively from the Joint Chiefs - > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > civilian > > > > > > > > > > > appointees are out. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:37 am, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > d.b, > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Major's reasoning is sound. Under the UCMJ folowiing > > > the orders of > > > > > > > > > > > > a superior officer who who was not legally entitled to > > > hold his rank/ > > > > > > > > > > > > office would be illegal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:27 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Q] - A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled > > > to report for > > > > > > > > > > > > > deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his > > > military orders > > > > > > > > > > > > > revoked after arguing he should not be required to > > > serve under a > > > > > > > > > > > > > president who has not proven his eligibility for > > > office. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the > > > > > > > > > > > > > military > > > has rescinded > > > > > > > > > > > > > his impending deployment orders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with > > > excitement. "It > > > > > > > > > > > > > means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. > > > It means that > > > > > > > > > > > > > the military has directly responded by saying Obama is > > > illegitimate – > > > > > > > > > > > > > and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking > > > the order!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No > > > explanation. No > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons – just revoked." > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
