I am not a great fan of the greedy at the top which
is 5% not ( 1% ).; but , the fruits of ones labor is what they
earned, what they have saved or purchased and not what or how much
they can extort through the power of the government.
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On Aug 14, 7:01 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sage, this is unbelievable. America is a degenerate plutocracy, where
> the workers are being bleed dry and kicked into the gutter. Its not
> about handouts or taxation--its about receiving the benefit of your
> labor. How can 1% of the American population own more than the bottom
> 95% and the bottom 50% just1% if workers are not being abused and
> exploited? These debates serve to legitmize the rule of despots over
> our lives
>
> On Aug 13, 2:54 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lone Wolf,
>
> > When you say Healthcare should be a right for
> > all Americans or RESIDENTS I take it you are saying that we as tax
> > payers need to pay for the healthcare of 15,000,000 " illegal alien
> > immigrants " who are not " legal " residents. These are the real
> > parasites along with sponge monkey groups like SEIU, ACORN, LaRaza,
>
> > **************************************************************************************************************************************
>
> > On Aug 12, 12:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Thats right, lets pay taxes, while we work for bugger-all and expect
> > > nothing in return--while the gamblers that made trillions losing
> > > trillions are guaranteed $23 trillion dollars in public funds to pay
> > > off their debts. Some off that $23 trillion should be spent on those
> > > that contributed the money--it could certainly go to health care,
> > > social services, education etc. All I am saying if we pay the money,
> > > can we please have the services--no more--no less
>
> > > The first thing that has to be done is to restore democracy--America
> > > is a plutocracy/financial dictatorship.
>
> > > It's not even a matter of socialism or capitalism. If the majority of
> > > people don't want socialized medicine (though the polls show
> > > otherwise) and prefer to use their taxes for other things, that's
> > > fine--at the moment the public has no say in what happens in any are
> > > at all affecting their lives--the don't know where their money is
> > > going --there is no transparency--and corruption is out of control--
> > > big business own everything--they are screwing us and suppressing all
> > > opposition and debate.
>
> > > On Aug 13, 12:13 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare plan?
> > > > ---
> > > > those of us who should not be forced to pay for the healthcare of
> > > > others
>
> > > > your healthcare is your responsibility
> > > > it is NOT an entitlement that WE should have to pay for
>
> > > > On Aug 12, 3:29 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare plan?
> > > > > 12 August 2009
>
> > > > > President Obama’s proposed restructuring of the US healthcare system
> > > > > has come under ferocious attack over the past week. Right-wing
> > > > > activists, in many cases organized by groups affiliated with the
> > > > > Republican Party or financed by sections of the healthcare industry,
> > > > > turned out at town hall meetings to shout down Democratic congressmen
> > > > > or Obama aides. There have been death threats and some actual
> > > > > violence.
>
> > > > > The right-wing attack combines hysterical distortion of the provisions
> > > > > of the Obama plan (frequently, and falsely, branded as “socialized
> > > > > medicine”) with an appeal to the concerns of wide layers of the
> > > > > American population who sense, quite correctly, that the healthcare
> > > > > restructuring being promoted in Washington will come at their expense
> > > > > and will benefit only the big corporate interests.
>
> > > > > Chief among the distortions has been the claim, fostered most notably
> > > > > by former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, that the
> > > > > Obama plan promotes euthanasia and that millions of elderly people
> > > > > will be hauled before a federal “death panel” to decide whether paying
> > > > > for their healthcare was warranted based on their “level of
> > > > > productivity in society.”
>
> > > > > The actual provision, Section 1323 of one version of legislation that
> > > > > has passed one committee in the House of Representatives, merely
> > > > > states that Medicare will now reimburse doctors who hold end-of-life
> > > > > counseling sessions for beneficiaries who want to know their options
> > > > > on hospice care, living wills, and similar services.
>
> > > > > Palin, who resigned as governor of Alaska July 26 in order to pursue a
> > > > > national career as spokeswoman for the fascistic wing of the
> > > > > Republican Party, is appealing to the same Christian fundamentalist
> > > > > elements who mobilized around the case of Terri Schiavo in 2005.
>
> > > > > The popular disaffection with the Obama healthcare plan goes much
> > > > > further, however, than the fanatical right-to-life constituency. The
> > > > > Obama administration has based its program for healthcare
> > > > > restructuring entirely on the argument that healthcare costs are
> > > > > bankrupting the US economy and that controlling and reducing these
> > > > > costs is essential.
>
> > > > > The logical conclusion of this policy—even if officially denied by the
> > > > > White House—is that somebody’s healthcare is too expensive and must be
> > > > > cut back or eliminated. Millions of people fear that that somebody is
> > > > > likely to be them and their families. One opinion poll published last
> > > > > week showed that 53 percent believed they would be worse off or no
> > > > > better than before under the Obama plan.
>
> > > > > Obama and the congressional Democrats have sought to use the frenzied
> > > > > outpourings of his right-wing critics to discredit all opposition to
> > > > > the measures that the administration is pursuing to cut social benefit
> > > > > programs like Medicare and impose even greater burdens on American
> > > > > working people.
>
> > > > > The crudest effort along these lines came in a column published in
> > > > > USAToday Monday by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority
> > > > > Leader Steny Hoyer, which branded the opposition to Obama’s healthcare
> > > > > plan “un-American attacks.” They criticized the right-wing disruptions
> > > > > as an effort to suppress discussion, then pledged that the healthcare
> > > > > “reform” would mean higher-quality care, an end to insurance company
> > > > > abuses and “stability and peace of mind for the middle class.”
>
> > > > > In his radio speech Saturday and at a carefully controlled town hall
> > > > > meeting in New Hampshire Tuesday, Obama sought to soothe popular
> > > > > concerns over the implication of the healthcare cost-cutting and put a
> > > > > “progressive” gloss on what is a fundamentally reactionary and pro-
> > > > > corporate policy.
>
> > > > > The president told his New Hampshire audience that charges that his
> > > > > program will cut Medicare benefits for the elderly were false. “It’s a
> > > > > myth that we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits,” he said.
> > > > > “We’re not.” He claimed that the only cut in Medicare would be $177
> > > > > billion in subsidies to insurance companies that operate private
> > > > > Medicare Advantage plans. But all the plans moving through the House
> > > > > and Senate—with full backing by the White House—call for substantial
> > > > > reductions in Medicare reimbursement to hospitals and doctors, which
> > > > > will inevitably be translated into cutbacks in care for the elderly
> > > > > and disabled.
>
> > > > > One of the first questions taken by Obama—no doubt prearranged by
> > > > > White House political operatives—was from a woman denied coverage by
> > > > > her insurance company because of a pre-existing condition. Expressing
> > > > > sympathy for her plight, Obama sought to use the exchange to present
> > > > > his program as a benefit for those whose healthcare benefits have been
> > > > > cut back or eliminated by profit-driven insurers.
>
> > > > > The real relationship of Obama and the Democrats to the insurance
> > > > > industry was far more accurately described by BusinessWeek magazine in
> > > > > its current cover story on healthcare “reform,” headlined, “The Health
> > > > > Insurers Have Already Won.” The magazine details how
> > > > > UnitedHealthGroup, the largest US health insurer, has used its
> > > > > influence in Washington, particularly with conservative congressional
> > > > > Democrats in the “Blue Dog” caucus and Obama advisers like former
> > > > > senator Tom Daschle, to effectively dictate the parameters of the
> > > > > healthcare legislation moving through Congress.
>
> > > > > “The industry has already accomplished its main goal of at least
> > > > > curbing, and maybe blocking altogether, any new publicly administered
> > > > > insurance program that could grab market share from the corporations
> > > > > that dominate the business,” BusinessWeek wrote approvingly.
> > > > > UnitedHealthCare, Aetna and Wellpoint have “also achieved a secondary
> > > > > aim of constraining the new benefits that will become available to
> > > > > tens of millions of people who are currently uninsured. That will make
> > > > > the new customers more lucrative to the industry.”
>
> > > > > In other words, the corporate profiteers have a tight grip over the
> > > > > healthcare legislation. Their political servants in both the
> > > > > Republican and Democratic parties can be relied on to guarantee their
> > > > > financial interests are served by any healthcare restructuring, or to
> > > > > torpedo the bill outright if that proves necessary.
>
> > > > > Over the past several weeks, there has been detailed press coverage of
> > > > > the enormous sums that the drug companies, the insurance companies,
> > > > > the for-profit hospital chains and other
>
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