Hello Keith, It’s not a matter of health-care being a right. Who decides it is a right?
This doe not mean that what socialists say should not be heavily scrutinize and criticized—it should—if it cannot stand up to scrutiny it is just another baseless, worthless ideology (like free-market neo conservatism). The type of socialism I advocate (which is straight forward orthodox Marxism—not to be confused with radicalism) is this. A government of the people, by the people, for the people—sound familiar? This means a government where the will of the people is enacted by the representatives of the people themselves. The people decide what they want done and their representatives carry it out. Under this type of governance, the people would decide how much should be pooled (taxes) and how it should be allocated. If the people decide that enough funds should be allocated for universal health-care it becomes a right—if they decide on other measures, then these measure become the norm for society, because it reflects the wishes of society. You can’t get blood from a stone—you can only allocate funds according to what is available—it should be up to the members of society to decide this—instead we have a situation in America (and every other western country) where finance capital own the government and the media —we have a dictatorship of finance capital. Silly accusations about, socialism, fascism etc, etc are pointless and designed to confuse and obfuscate —For any type of socio-economic relations to be able to operate effectively, a democratic, all inclusive system of governance, directly responsible and accountable to the people, must exist. If this is what you consider utopian, we may as well go back to living in caves. That is what conservatism is founded upon. No progressive thought or action and fidelity to out dated, antediluvian tradition. In other words if nothing changes the current status quo remains the same, and those in power hang on to their power. The inquisitions were founded on the same type of warped morality, so the clergy could continue to live like parasites of the backs of their flock. The next change in human socio-economic relations, will included a second enlightenment, sweeping aside the backward traditions and mysticism (especially organized religion) that is still employed to keep the masses in the thrall of narcissistic Neanderthals and reprobates. On Aug 16, 12:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Secret, > > Well said. This is where those socialists get confused, in their quest for > Utopia. Health Care is not a right. > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:44 AM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Aug 12, 7:13 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare plan? > > > --- > > > those of us who should not be forced to pay for the healthcare of > > > others > > > > your healthcare is your responsibility > > > it is NOT an entitlement that WE should have to pay for > > > > On Aug 12, 3:29 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree. > > > Those that work have health care and in the few times in my life that > > I didn't, I got it for free anyways, we are talking the 1970's here > > now I'm sure it's easier to get for free now anyways. > > > The way I see it is working people get health care, thru insurance and > > non-working people don't. So if we wnat to give health care to non- > > working people the working people will have to pay for it, in the form > > of some type of tax. > > > Personally I vote against ANY and ALL tax's, you should too. > > > Having the government handle health care will only make costs go up > > because they would then be adding a mountain of people and paper work > > to an already high level of paper work involved. > > > The government could curb the current costs thru limiting what health > > care providers and insurance companies charge for any type of > > procedure, even mandating some to be free. But they don't do this > > because they want to CONTROL it. > > > I am very weary of this government control, that is what this country > > was founded on, it is VERY much the American way to be wary of it's > > own government. > > > I want less government, not more. Let's get rid of the IRS too. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
