Two things are clear. 1. Capitalism is a monumental disaster--www.globalissues.org/article/ 26/poverty-facts-and-stats (pro-capitalist site)
2. Many people, especially Americans who have been subjected to decades of propaganda, are unable to come to terms with this. . On Aug 17, 2:02 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > capitalism has failed > ---- > hogwash > > Capitalism has been dominant in the Western world since the end of > feudalism.[3] Capitalism gradually spread throughout Europe, and in > the 19th and 20th centuries, it provided the main means of > industrialization throughout much of the world.[4] > > Criticism > Main articles: Criticisms of capitalism and Anti-capitalism > Notable critics of capitalism have included: socialists, anarchists, > communists, some forms of conservatism, Luddites, Narodniks, some > schools of nationalism and Shakers. Marxism advocated a revolutionary > overthrow of capitalism that would lead to socialism before eventually > transforming into communism after class antagonisms and the state > ceased to exist. Marxism influenced social democratic and labour > parties as well as some moderate democratic socialists, who seek > change through existing democratic channels instead of revolution, and > believe that capitalism should be heavily regulated rather than > abolished, supplementing the market economy with a mixed economy. Many > aspects of capitalism have come under attack from the anti- > globalization movement, which is primarily opposed to corporate > capitalism. > > On Aug 16, 10:51 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You can have fifty parties, in-fact there were 50 registered parties > > registered in the last election, whom the corporate controlled media > > on behalf of the corporate controlled government gave no coverage to > > at all. The televised debates are always between party A and party B, > > because they are the parties the corporations finance > > > The only third party that stands a chance of media exposure under the > > current set up is the Fascist Party of the USA. The predicament in > > which the world and the US finds itself in is due to the fact that > > capitalism has failed, not a political party. > > > On Aug 17, 1:32 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When you go to the ballot box you have the privilege of casting your > > > vote for the party of your choice (party A or party B). > > > ---- > > > hogwash > > > > help save the USA - vote 3rd party! > > > > On Aug 16, 10:29 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dear SB, you do live in the idealized and sanitized world presented to > > > > you by those that go out of their way to deceive you--the never ending > > > > info commercial of the American dream, as sold by artful and conniving > > > > snake oil salesmen. And yet you are half correct in what you say. Of > > > > course the President does not run the country, we know that--he is but > > > > a mere figurehead, a representative of those that do run the country > > > > "we the corporations". The idea that the American people have any > > > > influence in how the country is run is quite absurd. > > > > > American Democracy in action > > > > > When you go to the ballot box you have the privilege of casting your > > > > vote for the party of your choice (party A or party B). Now, if you > > > > decide you don’t like what the party you voted for is doing, all you > > > > need to do is wait 4 years, whereby you can then cast a vote for the > > > > other party. It becomes a little problematic when you realize this > > > > party isn’t doing what they promised, because you then have to wait > > > > another 4 years before the next election comes around. By this time > > > > you have probably forgotten why you voted out your first choice in the > > > > first place—that is, until they get back into power—and they proceed > > > > to do exactly what they did the last time you voted them out—ditching > > > > every promise they made to get you to vote for them again. But don’t > > > > worry, there is always another election, by which time those in power > > > > are counting on you getting dementia, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia or > > > > just plain dying. > > > > > And so it goes, around and around and around, like a mad dog chasing > > > > its tail. And people marvel over the fact that the suicide rate is > > > > climbing and our children are getting out of hand. At this point I am > > > > grateful they haven’t clubbed us all to death—and at the same time > > > > maybe a little disappointed—I mean what do we have to do to get them > > > > angry enough to get off their butts? > > > > > On Aug 16, 12:59 pm, sILVER bELLE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Get it through your heads. The President does NOT 'run the > > > > > country'...."we the People" do via the HOUSE. House to SENATE....He > > > > > ONLY GETS HIS WAY IF HE BUYS VOTE. THEN HE CAN BE IMPEACHED. > > > > > > sILVER bELLE > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:27:25 -0700 > > > > > > Subject: Re: What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare > > > > > > plan? > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Hello Keith, > > > > > > > It’s not a matter of health-care being a right. Who decides it is a > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > This doe not mean that what socialists say should not be heavily > > > > > > scrutinize and criticized—it should—if it cannot stand up to > > > > > > scrutiny > > > > > > it is just another baseless, worthless ideology (like free-market > > > > > > neo > > > > > > conservatism). > > > > > > > The type of socialism I advocate (which is straight forward orthodox > > > > > > Marxism—not to be confused with radicalism) is this. A government of > > > > > > the people, by the people, for the people—sound familiar? > > > > > > > This means a government where the will of the people is enacted by > > > > > > the > > > > > > representatives of the people themselves. The people decide what > > > > > > they > > > > > > want done and their representatives carry it out. Under this type of > > > > > > governance, the people would decide how much should be pooled > > > > > > (taxes) > > > > > > and how it should be allocated. If the people decide that enough > > > > > > funds > > > > > > should be allocated for universal health-care it becomes a right—if > > > > > > they decide on other measures, then these measure become the norm > > > > > > for > > > > > > society, because it reflects the wishes of society. > > > > > > > You can’t get blood from a stone—you can only allocate funds > > > > > > according > > > > > > to what is available—it should be up to the members of society to > > > > > > decide this—instead we have a situation in America (and every other > > > > > > western country) where finance capital own the government and the > > > > > > media > > > > > > —we have a dictatorship of finance capital. > > > > > > > Silly accusations about, socialism, fascism etc, etc are pointless > > > > > > and > > > > > > designed to confuse and obfuscate —For any type of socio-economic > > > > > > relations to be able to operate effectively, a democratic, all > > > > > > inclusive system of governance, directly responsible and accountable > > > > > > to the people, must exist. > > > > > > > If this is what you consider utopian, we may as well go back to > > > > > > living > > > > > > in caves. That is what conservatism is founded upon. No progressive > > > > > > thought or action and fidelity to out dated, antediluvian tradition. > > > > > > In other words if nothing changes the current status quo remains the > > > > > > same, and those in power hang on to their power. The inquisitions > > > > > > were > > > > > > founded on the same type of warped morality, so the clergy could > > > > > > continue to live like parasites of the backs of their flock. > > > > > > > The next change in human socio-economic relations, will included a > > > > > > second enlightenment, sweeping aside the backward traditions and > > > > > > mysticism (especially organized religion) that is still employed to > > > > > > keep the masses in the thrall of narcissistic Neanderthals and > > > > > > reprobates. > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 12:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Secret, > > > > > > > > Well said. This is where those socialists get confused, in their > > > > > > > quest for > > > > > > > Utopia. Health Care is not a right. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:44 AM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 7:13 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare plan? > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > those of us who should not be forced to pay for the > > > > > > > > > healthcare of > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > your healthcare is your responsibility > > > > > > > > > it is NOT an entitlement that WE should have to pay for > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 3:29 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > > > > Those that work have health care and in the few times in my > > > > > > > > life that > > > > > > > > I didn't, I got it for free anyways, we are talking the 1970's > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > now I'm sure it's easier to get for free now anyways. > > > > > > > > > The way I see it is working people get health care, thru > > > > > > > > insurance and > > > > > > > > non-working people don't. So if we wnat to give health care to > > > > > > > > non- > > > > > > > > working people the working people will have to pay for it, in > > > > > > > > the form > > > > > > > > of some type of tax. > > > > > > > > > Personally I vote against ANY and ALL tax's, you should too. > > > > > > > > > Having the government handle health care will only make costs > > > > > > > > go up > > > > > > > > because they would then be adding a mountain of people and > > > > > > > > paper work > > > > > > > > to an already high level of paper work involved. > > > > > > > > > The government could curb the current costs thru limiting what > > > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > care providers and insurance companies charge for any type of > > > > > > > > procedure, even mandating some to be free. But they don't do > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > because they want to CONTROL it. > > > > > > > > > I am very weary of this government control, that is what this > > > > > > > > country > > > > > > > > was founded on, it is VERY much the American way to be wary of > > > > > > > > it's > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
