Ok, for her to have been correct she would have had to have said "Italian
blended espresso". That she can not unerringly express herself in her native
tongue points to a lack of basic intelligence and education. You do not
suffer from this affliiction.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:03 AM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Mark,
>
> Trust me, I've tasted more coffees around the world than you might
> imagine. As I said, I've been doing it for nearly 50 years. I've had
> the good and the bad.
>
> This is an interesting discussion but we've gotten way off track. The
> original response was to your comment to Cold;
>
> "THEY DO NOT GROW COFFEE IN ITALY !!!. therefore you are NOT drinking
> "Italian Espresso""
>
> And as I said, we all understand the beans are not grown in Italy.
> That does NOT make your original statement true. It's a false
> statement. The bean is considered the raw material when it comes to
> producing an espresso. So if you can't counter the "spin" bullets I've
> listed twice already then just accept you jumped on Cold for no good
> reason and this discussion is done.
>
> On Sep 1, 11:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > sorry, but THAT arguement is weak..... the beans all have one thing in
> > common... arabia. so, no, it is not only a valid arguement but the only
> one
> > that actually counts. you are obviously used to drinking blended
> mouthwash
> > and would not know the joy of a pure, non- hybrided coffee grown at its
> > optimum altitude in its favorite soil type if it bit you.
> >
> > Hit the net; TRY to find a bean that lists itself as a pure, no-hybrid
> > strain... you won't. they do exist. These are the backbone of a quality
> cup.
> >
> >
> >
>  > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:00 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> >
> > > Come on, that’s weak. Guess what, some countries have higher altitudes
> > > to grow than others, some are wetter, some are hotter. Each bean
> > > producing country has its traditional characteristics for which its
> > > beans are known. The article didn’t dispute any of that; it merely
> > > stated that beans coming from your neck of the woods tend to be
> > > acidic. Sorry if you disagree. It seems fairly well documented that
> > > beans grown at higher elevations, such as in Central America, have a
> > > higher acidity than those grown in lower elevations.
> >
> > > We already know you got one wrong when you wrote ““THEY DO NOT GROW
> > > COFFEE IN ITALY !!!. therefore you are NOT drinking "Italian
> > > Espresso"”. Cold absolutely IS drinking Italian espresso. That the raw
> > > material – the coffee bean – was not grown in Italy does not mean its
> > > not Italian espresso.
> >
> > > I’ll ask again; what part is spin?  That Italy imports beans to
> > > produce espresso?  That most (all) espresso's are made from a blend of
> > > beans? That Italy produces and exports espresso?  Prove any of this to
> > > be incorrect. Link's please.
> >
> > > On Sep 1, 6:06 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Frank,
> >
> > > > The article in whole is not true. I bases base characteristics on
> country
> > > of
> > > > origin for the beans. This is not factual, the true determining
> factors
> > > are
> > > > acidity of soil (all the nations listed have a full range) amount of
> > > annual
> > > > rainfall, altitude at which grown, length of the rainy season,
> maturaty
> > > of
> > > > the bean (hand or machine harvest) when picked, what method is used
> to
> > > gain
> > > > salable green state... is it sun dried or machine dried, if machine
> dried
> > > is
> > > > it with a wood fire or some other combustible ??
> >
> > > > All of these and more go into what kind of bean gets blended and what
> > > kind
> > > > does not and in what quantity those beans are mixed. With poorer
> beans
> > > from
> > > > lower altitudes there is more mixing/blending needed with quality
> beans
> > > from
> > > > the SHB premium groups it is a lot easier and much more consistent in
> > > > quality.
> >
> > > > The claim that acidity in coffee is country specific is also a
> blatant
> > > lie.
> > > > It is determined by the above factors with an additional one thrown
> > > in....
> > > > how old it is. The sooner you use a coffee bean after it is dried and
> in
> > > a
> > > > "green" state and roasted the less acidity in the cup.
> >
> > > > When the article can not get the base requirements of the cupping
> room
> > > > correct it is indeed bullshit.
> >
> > > > NEXT.
> >
> > >  > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > What part is spin Mark?  That Italy imports beans to produce
> > > > > espresso?  That most (all) espresso's are made from a blend of
> beans?
> > > > > That Italy produces and exports espresso?  Prove any of this to be
> > > > > incorrect. Link's please.
> >
> > > > > You made your point that Italy doesn't grow coffee beans, which was
> > > > > true. But what was your point? Cold said she drinks espresso
> imported
> > > > > from Italy. So do I. I also eat prosciutto, parmigiano reggiano and
> > > > > provolone, all imported from Italy. Are these spin too?
> >
> > > > > On Sep 1, 11:44 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > sorry frank...... all spin and those in the business know it.
> >
> > > > >  > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:57 AM, frankg <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Mark,
> >
> > > > > > > You may well be a coffee grower, roaster and exporter but it's
> > > obvious
> > > > > > > you do not deal with espresso. Let me quote from
> > > coffeeresearch.org;
> >
> > > > > > > >>quote<<
> >
> > > > > > > Coffee Blending is necessary for espresso since a single coffee
> > > origin
> > > > > > > will lack the complexity desired.  It is important to remember
> that
> > > > > > > the advantage of espresso over other brewing methods is a
> result of
> > > > > > > the formation of the crema.  Without the crema the espresso
> would
> > > be
> > > > > > > strong, thick coffee.  The crema is an emulsified layer of
> tiny,
> > > > > > > smooth bubbles that trap aromatic compounds.  This layer coats
> the
> > > > > > > tongue and these small bubbles break over time allowing
> espresso to
> > > be
> > > > > > > enjoyed long after it has been consumed.  An aromatic coffee,
> > > > > > > therefore, is essential to a well prepared espresso blend.
> >
> > > > > > > The majority of the espresso blend is made up of a base of
> coffees
> > > > > > > from Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru, Panama or
> any
> > > other
> > > > > > > origins that contribute a non-overbearing flavor while still
> > > > > > > contributing to the body and sweetness of the coffee.
> >
> > > > > > > Small ratios of coffees from Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala,
> and
> > > > > > > Venezuela are used to add body, acidity, and flavor to a coffee
> > > > > > > blend.  Since these coffees are often very acidic, they are
> used in
> > > > > > > small amounts.
> >
> > > > > > > To add complexity and brightness when blending espresso,
> Ethiopian
> > > > > > > Harrar, Kenyan, Yemen Mocha, Zimbabwe, and Zambian coffees are
> > > used.
> > > > > > > Ethiopian Harrar adds a powerful aroma of blueberries or
> > > raspberries
> > > > > > > while Kenya coffee adds a powerful brightness.
> >
> > > > > > > To add richness and body when blending for espresso, coffee
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > > Asian Pacific, such as Sumatra, Sulawesi, Java, East Timor, New
> > > Guinea
> > > > > > > and Ethiopian Yirgacheffe are used.  Yirgacheffe has a potent,
> > > > > > > flowerlike aroma.
> >
> > > > > > > >>end quote<<
> >
> > > > > > > Italy is STILL the premiere provider of espresso coffee. They
> don't
> > > > > > > grow the beans but their blends and methods of roasting result
> in
> > > an
> > > > > > > espresso sought the world over.
> >
> > > > > > > On Aug 31, 5:26 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Frank,
> >
> > > > > > > > I am a coffee grower, roaster, and exporter.... please do NOT
> > > give me
> > > > > > > > that line of trash. Beans of superior quality are NEVER
> blended
> > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > it is done to make an otherwise piss-poor / questionable
> origin
> > > > > (dirt,
> > > > > > > > chemicals, hybrided) bean taste better. Its just like wine...
> all
> > > one
> > > > > > > > grape in the bottle or you drink something like a Merlot that
> is
> > > > > > > > blended to hide deficiencies... while tasting good or even
> great
> > > it
> > > > > > > > could never stand alone next to a single grape of the same
> > > quality.
> >
> > > > > > >  > On 8/31/09, frankg <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Well, you're half correct; the beans are not grown in
> Italy.
> > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > the beans are roasted and blended in Italy. An imported
> Italian
> > > > > > > > > espresso will likely be the best espresso you'll ever
> taste.
> > > Add
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > anisette or sambucco and you are in heaven.
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 11:10 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> I really hate to tell you this Cold....THEY DO NOT GROW
> COFFEE
> > > IN
> > > > > > > > >> ITALY !!!. therefore you are NOT drinking "Italian
> Espresso".
> > > A
> > > > > LITTLE
> > > > > > > > >> accuracy, please. All your statement proves is that you
> are
> > > > > foolish
> > > > > > > > >> enough to overpay for something that has a spin to it.
> >
> > > > > > > > >>  The most famous Italian coffee grower is/was Admiral
> Luigi
> > > > > > > > >> Sansonetti. He did NOT grow coffee in ITALY.
> >
> > > > > > > > >> On Aug 30, 9:39 am, Cold Water <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Don't flatter yourself into thinking YOU could get my
> > > panties in
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > wad
> > > > > > > > >> > Woody.  I have been around the loops for too long.  Dick
> and
> > > > > Travis
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > >> > far
> > > > > > > > >> > too polite to tell you to GFY but strangely, I am not.
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > I tried the Dunkin' Donuts coffee and it was good but
> not as
> > > > > good as
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> > imported from Italy Espresso but the Dunkin' donuts
> coffee
> > > is
> > > > > > > cheaper.
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > CW
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > >> > From: "Hollywood" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > >> > To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:26
> > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: Making something (TV extravaganza) out of
> > > nothing
> > > > > (Ted
> > > > > > > > >> > Kennedy)
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Cold,
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > What got your panties all wadded up so early this
> morning? I
> > > > > lived
> > > > > > > > >> > most of my adult life in the south and never heard the
> term.
> > > > > Don't
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >> > so coy, if you mean FUCKTARD just fucking say it. Don't
> know
> > > > > what a
> > > > > > > > >> > PHUCKTARD is.
> > > > > > > > >> > Have some more coffee and calm the fuck down.
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > On Aug 30, 10:18 am, Cold Water <[email protected]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > Dick answered because YOU asked what a "pussle gut" is
> > > > > PHUCKTARD.
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > >> > > simply CANNOT be *that* stupid and ignorant at the
> same
> > > time.
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > > Keith is southern. They talk funny down there. Maybe
> > > "pussle
> > > > > gut"
> > > > > > > > >> > > means
> > > > > > > > >> > > something to southerners??? I would bet Teddy had a
> > > pustuled
> > > > > butt
> > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > >> > > although I don't
> >
>  > ...
> >
> > read more »- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
>


-- 
Mark M. Kahle,  ,
www.filacoffee.com

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