Cold, YOU said it was Italian espresso..... it simply is not. It is an Italian blended espresso. That you can not see or do not have the mental faculty to discern the difference simply proves your level cognizance is not exactly "up to par". Go back and play with your dolls or let daddy play with you... whichever brought you into your hazy sense of illiteracy.
On Sep 2, 8:26 am, Cold Water <[email protected]> wrote: > CW (a woman): "Who said the beans are grown in Italy? Answer: NO ONE. > End of discussion." > > Men: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... > > Mars/Venus??? > > Hey Mark! My favorite espresso is made from arabica beans. Does that mean > the coffee was grown by Arabs??? > > ROFLMAO!!!!! > > CW <thank you Frank but Emily Litella (aka Mark) is hopeless> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frankg" <[email protected]> > To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:03 > Subject: Re: Making something (TV extravaganza) out of nothing (Ted Kennedy) > > Mark, > > Trust me, I've tasted more coffees around the world than you might > imagine. As I said, I've been doing it for nearly 50 years. I've had > the good and the bad. > > This is an interesting discussion but we've gotten way off track. The > original response was to your comment to Cold; > > "THEY DO NOT GROW COFFEE IN ITALY !!!. therefore you are NOT drinking > "Italian Espresso"" > > And as I said, we all understand the beans are not grown in Italy. > That does NOT make your original statement true. It's a false > statement. The bean is considered the raw material when it comes to > producing an espresso. So if you can't counter the "spin" bullets I've > listed twice already then just accept you jumped on Cold for no good > reason and this discussion is done. > > On Sep 1, 11:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > sorry, but THAT arguement is weak..... the beans all have one thing in > > common... arabia. so, no, it is not only a valid arguement but the only > > one > > that actually counts. you are obviously used to drinking blended mouthwash > > and would not know the joy of a pure, non- hybrided coffee grown at its > > optimum altitude in its favorite soil type if it bit you. > > > Hit the net; TRY to find a bean that lists itself as a pure, no-hybrid > > strain... you won't. they do exist. These are the backbone of a quality > > cup. > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:00 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mark, > > > > Come on, that’s weak. Guess what, some countries have higher altitudes > > > to grow than others, some are wetter, some are hotter. Each bean > > > producing country has its traditional characteristics for which its > > > beans are known. The article didn’t dispute any of that; it merely > > > stated that beans coming from your neck of the woods tend to be > > > acidic. Sorry if you disagree. It seems fairly well documented that > > > beans grown at higher elevations, such as in Central America, have a > > > higher acidity than those grown in lower elevations. > > > > We already know you got one wrong when you wrote ““THEY DO NOT GROW > > > COFFEE IN ITALY !!!. therefore you are NOT drinking "Italian > > > Espresso"”. Cold absolutely IS drinking Italian espresso. That the raw > > > material – the coffee bean – was not grown in Italy does not mean its > > > not Italian espresso. > > > > I’ll ask again; what part is spin? That Italy imports beans to > > > produce espresso? That most (all) espresso's are made from a blend of > > > beans? That Italy produces and exports espresso? Prove any of this to > > > be incorrect. Link's please. > > > > On Sep 1, 6:06 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Frank, > > > > > The article in whole is not true. I bases base characteristics on > > > > country > > > of > > > > origin for the beans. This is not factual, the true determining > > > > factors > > > are > > > > acidity of soil (all the nations listed have a full range) amount of > > > annual > > > > rainfall, altitude at which grown, length of the rainy season, > > > > maturaty > > > of > > > > the bean (hand or machine harvest) when picked, what method is used to > > > gain > > > > salable green state... is it sun dried or machine dried, if machine > > > > dried > > > is > > > > it with a wood fire or some other combustible ?? > > > > > All of these and more go into what kind of bean gets blended and what > > > kind > > > > does not and in what quantity those beans are mixed. With poorer beans > > > from > > > > lower altitudes there is more mixing/blending needed with quality > > > > beans > > > from > > > > the SHB premium groups it is a lot easier and much more consistent in > > > > quality. > > > > > The claim that acidity in coffee is country specific is also a blatant > > > lie. > > > > It is determined by the above factors with an additional one thrown > > > in.... > > > > how old it is. The sooner you use a coffee bean after it is dried and > > > > in > > > a > > > > "green" state and roasted the less acidity in the cup. > > > > > When the article can not get the base requirements of the cupping room > > > > correct it is indeed bullshit. > > > > > NEXT. > > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What part is spin Mark? That Italy imports beans to produce > > > > > espresso? That most (all) espresso's are made from a blend of beans? > > > > > That Italy produces and exports espresso? Prove any of this to be > > > > > incorrect. Link's please. > > > > > > You made your point that Italy doesn't grow coffee beans, which was > > > > > true. But what was your point? Cold said she drinks espresso > > > > > imported > > > > > from Italy. So do I. I also eat prosciutto, parmigiano reggiano and > > > > > provolone, all imported from Italy. Are these spin too? > > > > > > On Sep 1, 11:44 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > sorry frank...... all spin and those in the business know it. > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:57 AM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > You may well be a coffee grower, roaster and exporter but it's > > > obvious > > > > > > > you do not deal with espresso. Let me quote from > > > coffeeresearch.org; > > > > > > > > >>quote<< > > > > > > > > Coffee Blending is necessary for espresso since a single coffee > > > origin > > > > > > > will lack the complexity desired. It is important to remember > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the advantage of espresso over other brewing methods is a result > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the formation of the crema. Without the crema the espresso would > > > be > > > > > > > strong, thick coffee. The crema is an emulsified layer of tiny, > > > > > > > smooth bubbles that trap aromatic compounds. This layer coats > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > tongue and these small bubbles break over time allowing espresso > > > > > > > to > > > be > > > > > > > enjoyed long after it has been consumed. An aromatic coffee, > > > > > > > therefore, is essential to a well prepared espresso blend. > > > > > > > > The majority of the espresso blend is made up of a base of > > > > > > > coffees > > > > > > > from Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru, Panama or any > > > other > > > > > > > origins that contribute a non-overbearing flavor while still > > > > > > > contributing to the body and sweetness of the coffee. > > > > > > > > Small ratios of coffees from Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Venezuela are used to add body, acidity, and flavor to a coffee > > > > > > > blend. Since these coffees are often very acidic, they are used > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > small amounts. > > > > > > > > To add complexity and brightness when blending espresso, > > > > > > > Ethiopian > > > > > > > Harrar, Kenyan, Yemen Mocha, Zimbabwe, and Zambian coffees are > > > used. > > > > > > > Ethiopian Harrar adds a powerful aroma of blueberries or > > > raspberries > > > > > > > while Kenya coffee adds a powerful brightness. > > > > > > > > To add richness and body when blending for espresso, coffee from > > > the > > > > > > > Asian Pacific, such as Sumatra, Sulawesi, Java, East Timor, New > > > Guinea > > > > > > > and Ethiopian Yirgacheffe are used. Yirgacheffe has a potent, > > > > > > > flowerlike aroma. > > > > > > > > >>end quote<< > > > > > > > > Italy is STILL the premiere provider of espresso coffee. They > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > grow the beans but their blends and methods of roasting result > > > > > > > in > > > an > > > > > > > espresso sought the world over. > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 5:26 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Frank, > > > > > > > > > I am a coffee grower, roaster, and exporter.... please do NOT > > > give me > > > > > > > > that line of trash. Beans of superior quality are NEVER > > > > > > > > blended > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > it is done to make an otherwise piss-poor / questionable > > > > > > > > origin > > > > > (dirt, > > > > > > > > chemicals, hybrided) bean taste better. Its just like wine... > > > > > > > > all > > > one > > > > > > > > grape in the bottle or you drink something like a Merlot that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > blended to hide deficiencies... while tasting good or even > > > > > > > > great > > > it > > > > > > > > could never stand alone next to a single grape of the same > > > quality. > > > > > > > > > On 8/31/09, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, you're half correct; the beans are not grown in Italy. > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > the beans are roasted and blended in Italy. An imported > > > > > > > > > Italian > > > > > > > > > espresso will likely be the best espresso you'll ever taste. > > > Add > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > anisette or sambucco and you are in heaven. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 11:10 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I really hate to tell you this Cold....THEY DO NOT GROW > > > > > > > > >> COFFEE > > > IN > > > > > > > > >> ITALY !!!. therefore you are NOT drinking "Italian > > > > > > > > >> Espresso". > > > A > > > > > LITTLE > > > > > > > > >> accuracy, please. All your statement proves is that you are > > > > > foolish > > > > > > > > >> enough to overpay for something that has a spin to it. > > > > > > > > > >> The most famous Italian coffee grower is/was Admiral Luigi > > > > > > > > >> Sansonetti. 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