As I never said they did, you made the claim I did to discredit my point, you, Hollywood, should ask why you injected it into this tread... My point??? Once again you seek to change the subject through YOUR straw-men...
>>> It says so much of the emptiness of the Left for ideas... And the > > > > > inability of so many to get over their irrational hatred of Bush -- so > > > > > irrational that they are unable to accept contrary facts as facts... > > > > > But this, like the passion to put on trail witches in Salem in in 1692 > > > > > will pass and be seen in history as just anothe r mass phobia and > > > > > madness... > > > > > Bush, like Obama are flip sides of each other, both have good and bad > > > > > aspects... They reflect America, who once again addresses difficult > > > > > world problems (many time ones which few wish to address), ask for > > > > > little, and then remember American Idealism... Bush saw the nature > > > > > of AQ's challenge, and confronted it -- this time BEFORE the evil > > > > > became obvious to Europe... Obama, is acting like Wilson, full of > > > > > idealism which will be rejected be the cold realities of geo-politics > > > > > of other countries interests and lust for power... Unlike > > > > > Chamberlain, Obama has entered the stage AFTER the danger was > > > > > confronted and averted... On Oct 15, 7:11 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > Jgg, > > Listen, what do ANYONE'S talking points have to do with the question > (s) I posed to you? > I repeat; what did George Bush have to do with the invention of the > Internet, or anything else you listed? > What? > > On Oct 15, 5:53 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Your talking points so often are meant to change the subject... So > > excuse me while I "don't give a rat's ass" > > > On Oct 12, 3:44 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > jgg, > > > > Dude, I don't give a rat's ass what you claim were/are someone's > > > "talking points" at a given point in time. I'm talking about YOUR > > > statements on THIS thread THIS week. Someone is critical of the Bush > > > administration and you start babbling about Salem's witch trials over > > > 300 years ago, WWII and the Marshall Plan and other things that George > > > Bush had about as much to do with as my fucking cat. As if to > > > criticize Bush equates with diminishing those stated accomplishments > > > of Am,erica. I mean WTF? > > > > On Oct 12, 1:23 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What a short memory yoy got grandma > > > > > >>> To be critical of George Bush's administration is to be critical of > > > > >>> America? > > > > > That was the Left's talking point for awhile AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL... > > > > > >>> What did Bush have to do with any of the admirable American > > > > > accomplishments you list? I had about as much to do with the Marshall > > > > Plan to re-build Europe after WWII, or the development of the > > > > Internet, as George Bush did. > > > > > >>> Oh, the danger from AQ is NOW passed? <<<Unlike Chamberlain Obama > > > > >>> has > > > > > entered the stage AFTER the danger was confronted and averted>>>> Did > > > > you REALLY say that? AQ is suddenly the ONLY dangerous Islamic > > > > militant organization? The ONLY threat to our security and the > > > > world's? > > > > > I see you have just learn what I was saying to you for years... But > > > > yes, now Islamic nations are confronting milant Islam because they > > > > threaten them... When Bush did it, the same said governments just > > > > winked at their activities... A very different and far more > > > > dangerous situations which you refuse to acknowledge... > > > > As I pointed to confronting AQ before others did just how does the > > > > Marshall Plan come into play??? I know, you claim I said that and > > > > then mock me for what you said I said... Sounds like straw-man > > > > mockery to me.. > > > > > On Oct 10, 11:12 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > What did Bush have to do with any of the admirable American > > > > > accomplishments you list? I had about as much to do with the Marshall > > > > > Plan to re-build Europe after WWII, or the development of the > > > > > Internet, as George Bush did. To be critical of George Bush's > > > > > administration is to be critical of America? And you folks want to > > > > > call President Obama arrogant???? Are you listening to yourself? > > > > > > Oh, the danger from AQ is NOW passed? <<<Unlike Chamberlain Obama has > > > > > entered the stage AFTER the danger was confronted and averted>>>> Did > > > > > you REALLY say that? AQ is suddenly the ONLY dangerous Islamic > > > > > militant organization? The ONLY threat to our security and the > > > > > world's? > > > > > > On Oct 10, 9:49 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It says so much of the emptiness of the Left for ideas... And the > > > > > > inability of so many to get over their irrational hatred of Bush -- > > > > > > so > > > > > > irrational that they are unable to accept contrary facts as facts... > > > > > > But this, like the passion to put on trail witches in Salem in in > > > > > > 1692 > > > > > > will pass and be seen in history as just anothe r mass phobia and > > > > > > madness... > > > > > > > Bush, like Obama are flip sides of each other, both have good and > > > > > > bad > > > > > > aspects... They reflect America, who once again addresses > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > world problems (many time ones which few wish to address), ask for > > > > > > little, and then remember American Idealism... Bush saw the nature > > > > > > of AQ's challenge, and confronted it -- this time BEFORE the evil > > > > > > became obvious to Europe... Obama, is acting like Wilson, full of > > > > > > idealism which will be rejected be the cold realities of > > > > > > geo-politics > > > > > > of other countries interests and lust for power... Unlike > > > > > > Chamberlain, Obama has entered the stage AFTER the danger was > > > > > > confronted and averted... > > > > > > > As Peggy Noonan writes > > > > > > > >>> How to redeem this? That is a hard question, but here is one > > > > > > >>> idea. The president will deliver a big speech in Oslo Dec. 10: > > > > > > >>> white tie and tails, a formal, bound statement. The world, as > > > > > > >>> they say, will be watching. He should deflect the limelight. > > > > > > >>> (Can he?) He should make his subject bigger than himself. (Is > > > > > > >>> there a subject bigger than himself?) He has been accused of > > > > > > >>> traveling through the world on an extended apology tour. That > > > > > > >>> isn't fair, but the tag is there. How about an unapologetic > > > > > > >>> address, a speech, with the world's elites leaning forward and > > > > > > >>> listening, about the meaning of America? A speech that shows a > > > > > > >>> grounded and sophisticated love for his country and its great > > > > > > >>> traditions and history. Not a nationalistic speech, not a > > > > > > >>> prideful one, but a loving one. > > > > > > > For instance: The Peace Prize judges won't see it this way, but > > > > > > America has gone to Europe twice in the past century to fight for > > > > > > peace. This is an old concept, and has to do with killing killers so > > > > > > they can't kill anymore. It cost America a lot to do this, and we > > > > > > kept > > > > > > no territory, as they say, beyond the graves where our soldiers lie. > > > > > > America then taxed itself and gave its wealth not only to its allies > > > > > > but to its former adversaries, to help them rebuild. We didn't > > > > > > actually have to do this. We did it to make the world better. We did > > > > > > it to foster peace. (They should give us a prize.) > > > > > > > America hasn't just helped the world, it literally lit the world > > > > > > with > > > > > > its inventions, which are the product of its freedoms. The lights > > > > > > under which the Peace Prize judges read, and rejected, the worthy > > > > > > nominations? Why, those lights were invented by an American. The > > > > > > emails the committee members sent to each other, sharing their banal > > > > > > insights on leadership? They came through the Internet. Who invented > > > > > > the Internet? It was a Norwegian bureaucrat with a long face and > > > > > > hair > > > > > > on his nose and little plastic geometric eyeglasses? Oh wait, it was > > > > > > Americans. The members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee are healthy > > > > > > because they have been inoculated against diseases such as polio. > > > > > > Who > > > > > > invented the polio vaccine, an enfeebled old leftist academic in > > > > > > Oslo? > > > > > > Nah, it was a man named Jonas Salk. He was an American. > > > > > > > Europe's elites experience Mr. Obama as a historical accident that > > > > > > needs and deserves their encouragement. Actually he was elected with > > > > > > 69.5 million votes, and you know, they were cast by Americans. Go > > > > > > figure. > > > > > > > Mr. Obama should get the spotlight off himself and put it on the > > > > > > great > > > > > > thing that yielded him up and made him possible. America is > > > > > > misunderstood these days, and he could perform a public service by > > > > > > helping people understand it better. > > > > > > > Love, after all, never harms the world, and as an added practical > > > > > > bonus such a speech would obscurely embarrass the committee, which > > > > > > won't be able to criticize the thoughts of its hero. That would be > > > > > > pleasurable for Americans, and therefore helpful to Mr. Obama. > > > > > > > This might to some degree redeem this wicked and ignorant award, > > > > > > this > > > > > > mischievous honor. > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 6:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm, so about the only requirement to be considered a man of > > > > > > > peace > > > > > > > is to NOT be Geroge Bush? Sure dosent say much for the > > > > > > > administration > > > > > > > of George Bush, does it? > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 11:45 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Our Egyptian man on the street nailed it > > > > > > > > > ""They are handing him the Nobel Peace Prize because he isn’t > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > Bush." > > > > > > > > > By that standard, you are eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize.... > > > > > > > > >http://jaltcoh.blogspot.com/2009/10/only-possible-explanation-why-pre... > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 11:25 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > It's really rather simple. .Compared to the man he replaced > > > > > > > > > Obama can > > > > > > > > > win a Nobel Peace Prize simply by going 9 whole months w/o > > > > > > > > > invading > > > > > > > > > someone. > > > > > > > > > Kinda like a 300 lb. man appearing to be skinny by standing > > > > > > > > > next to a > > > > > > > > > 600 llb. man. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 9:46 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The continuation of the 'smoke and mirrors' presidency > > > > > > > > > > continues. The > > > > > > > > > > height of his mantle continues to get elevated without his > > > > > > > > > > ever doing > > > > > > > > > > anything. Just amazing. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 7:53 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Headline of the day: > > > > > > > > > > > > London Times: "Absurd decision on Obama makes a mockery > > > > > > > > > > > of the Nobel > > > > > > > > > > > peace prize" > > > > > > > > > > > > [Q] - Rarely has an award had such an obvious political > > > > > > > > > > > and partisan > > > > > > > > > > > intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel > > > > > > > > > > > committee as a way > > > > > > > > > > > of expressing European gratitude for an end > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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