but proof of the numbers of illegal aliens who are criminals oh, and let's not forget that illegal alien/criminals kill 12 Americans everyday
choose sides carefully On May 23, 6:03 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > U.S. Border Patrol can now easily identify immigrants with a history > of prior drug-related or violent offenses > ---------- > Not applicable to the topic. > > On May 23, 5:49 pm, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Presence in the United states without permission is a civil > > infraction. For it to be a criminal offience, the offender has to > > have > > been deported. > > ---- > > U.S. Border Patrol can now easily identify immigrants with a history > > of prior drug-related or violent offenses by putting their names into > > a federal database. During the 2006 fiscal year, nearly 90,000 > > individuals were deported due to their criminal past. The majority > > (nearly 75%) of these deportees were Mexicans. For the approximately > > 1.1 million illegal immigrants detained last fiscal year by the U.S. > > Border Patrol, nearly 70,000 hits came up. They had prior offenses in > > the U.S. with immigration violations being excluded from this count. > > In order to discourage immigrants who have previously been deported > > from the U.S. and are caught trying to enter the U.S. again, they are > > being charged with felonies. In the past immigrants would have likely > > just have been deported again, but now the U.S. government is taking a > > tougher stance and charging them with felonies for illegally > > reentering the country after being deported. > > > On May 23, 3:23 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One of the most fundamental distinctions between civil and criminal > > > law is in the notion of punishment. > > > > criminal law > > > In criminal law, a guilty defendant is punished by either (1) > > > incarceration in a jail or prison, (2) fine paid to the government, > > > or, in exceptional cases, (3) execution of the defendant: the death > > > penalty. Crimes are divided into two broad classes: felonies have a > > > maximum possible sentence of more than one year incarceration, > > > misdemeanors have a maximum possible sentence of less than one year > > > incarceration. > > > > civil law > > > In contrast, a defendant in civil litigation is never incarcerated and > > > never executed. In general, a losing defendant in civil litigation > > > only reimburses the plaintiff for losses caused by the defendant's > > > behavior. > > > > So-called punitive damages are never awarded in a civil case under > > > contract law. In a civil case under tort law, there is a possibility > > > of punitive damages, if the defendant's conduct is egregious and had > > > either (1) a malicious intent (i.e., desire to cause harm), (2) gross > > > negligence (i.e., conscious indifference), or (3) a willful disregard > > > for the rights of others. The use of punitive damages makes a public > > > example of the defendant and supposedly deters future wrongful conduct > > > by others. Punitive damages are particularly important in torts > > > involving dignitary harms (e.g., invasion of privacy) and civil > > > rights, where the actual monetary injury to plaintiff(s) may be > > > small. > > > > One can purchase insurance that will pay damages and attorney's fees > > > for tort claims. Such insurance coverage is a standard part of > > > homeowner's insurance policies, automobile insurance, and insurance > > > for businesses. In contrast, it is not possible for a defendant to > > > purchase insurance to pay for his/her criminal acts. > > > > While a court can order a defendant to pay damages, the plaintiff may > > > receive nothing if the defendant has no assets and no insurance, or if > > > the defendant is skillful in concealing assets. In this way, large > > > awards for plaintiffs in tort cases are often an illusion. > > > ------------------- > > > Presence in the United states without permission is a civil > > > infraction. For it to be a criminal offience, the offender has to have > > > been deported. > > > > On May 23, 3:09 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Immigration law is civil law; law enforcement never enforces civil > > > > law, > > > > > On May 23, 12:05 pm, Harry Beck <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I agree, therefore the name ILLEGAL aliens. > > > > > > Harry Beck > > > > > Capt. US Army, Ret. > > > > > Montrose, New York > > > > > > Wherever you go, no matter what the weather, bring your own sunshine. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: plainolamerican <[email protected]> > > > > > To: PoliticalForum <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:49 am > > > > > Subject: Re: Illegal aliens are not criminals > > > > > > yeah, I heard this defense from an ACLU lawyer once > > > > > > those who break the law are considered criminals > > > > > > On May 21, 3:05 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Theirs is a civil infraction, not prosecutable in criminal courts > > > > > > until they have been deported at least once. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > > > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > > > > * It's active and moderated. 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