Interesting thread, I will respond to your post tomorrow. On Oct 15, 8:16 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Evening Members, > > Recently, we have had several members, (Well.....Really only one, Tom For > News) accuse me of being an "Islamophobe", (as well as being a Homophobe, > a Wingnut, and God only knows what other accusations have been tossed my > way!! <Grin>!!) We also witnessed Joy "I Am The Epitome Of A Moonbat" > Behar, and Whoopie "Guinan Not A Jew" Goldberg walk off the set of the > television show, "The View" yesterday, when political pundit Bill > O'Reilly stated that it was Muslims who blew up the World Trade Towers in > New York City on September 11, 2001. Because of these recent events, I > choose to respond. > > I don't think I am an Islamophobe. I'll let you, the members who choose to > read this epistle determine whether you believe I am an Islamophobe....Or > not. > > There has been a lot of discussion about, "Fundamentalist Muslims"; as > compared to so-called, "Moderate Muslims". We have seen for instance, how > "Moderate Muslims" lived a fairly western lifestyle, and many of us recall > the peaceful Islamic culture in the Nation-State formerly known as > Yugoslavia, and in other parts of Eastern Europe. > > Today, if you were to visit that region, *e.g.;* Kosovo, Albania, > Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Republica Srpska; and see the ethnic > cleansing.....Not the ethnic cleansing purportedly by Slobodan Milosevic and > the Serbs, but by fellow Muslims, those that are both Sunni and Shia; I > surmise that folks like Joy Behar and Whoopi would be shocked! > > The divergence, is exactly what I have been espousing here in > PoliticalForum: That what many term, "Fundamentalists" or "radical" > Islamists, (I hate the term, "Islamo-Fascists"; I think the term is an > oxymoron) but my point being, is that those that are more "orthodox" > Muslims, or "Fundamentalist Muslims" are in fact killing those Muslims who > have adopted what many perceive as a "moderate", western way of life. > > Many "Liberals"; or those who are not well informed on the all > encompassing aspects of Islam, tend to blame the United States and Western > Culture in general, for "oppressing" Muslims, forcing the Islamic faithful > to take extreme action to defend their cultures and beliefs from "Western > imperialism". This is really far from true, and I will try and demonstrate > as succinctly as possible. > > Islam's roots are well documented, originating with a supernatural > experience in a cave that left a young Mohammad with the firm belief that > the archangel Gabriel had summoned him to be God's messenger on Earth. > > I don't think that anyone knowledgeable will dispute, that Islam in and of > itself, was born in violence. Not only did the angel Gabriel allegedly try > to choke Mohammad to death at one point, but so did Mohammad's tribe, the > "Quraysh". > > From its very inception, Islam has been about a fight to survive. Mohammad > called this principle "*Jihad*", and drew two distinctions. Ultimately the > greater jihad, "*Jihad al Akbar*", is the struggle to perfect oneself, the > struggle to be a better person in the eyes of Allah. Mohammad nevertheless > emphasized, especially throughout the Medina Suras in the Q'uran, that the > lesser jihad, *"Jihad al Asghar"; e.g.; *the struggle to defeat infidels, > non-believers and opponents who threatens (or has ever threatened!) the > faith, is the primary means for the manifestation of Islam upon our World. > ** > There is no question that of all the Western religions, *e.g.;* Judaism, > Christianity, and Islam, at one point in time, Islam was the most modern, > and I dare say "enlightened", for lack of a better word. When we were still > cutting the entrails out of anyone who dare spoke against the King, Islam > was far more progressive, at least by 11th and 12th Century standards. The > World's arts and sciences were at the forefront in Islam. As I have > stated previously, whereas Christianity and Judaism have reformed, Islam has > never reformed. > > From the time that Mohammad wrote the Suras in both Medina and Mecca, (which > are in total conflict with one another in my opinion) the Muslim religion > spread across the entire Arabian Peninsula, north into Persia (Iran), and > westward into Palestine, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. Eventually, it crossed > the Mediterranean Sea into Spain and worked its way up the central Asian > trade routes to the Balkans, to what is now known as Germany/the Chechen > Republic/Central Western Europe. > > As Islam spread, Islamic leaders ruled each new country through a > "Caliphate"; *e.g.*; a theocratic governing body presided over by a > supreme religious authority and his council of religious leaders. They not > only set the moral agenda for the country but, by *Sharia*, determined what > actions of the state were approved by Mohammad -- and more importantly, what > actions were not. > > What many in the West don't understand or comprehend, is that "Sharia", to > both moderates, and "Orthodox" or "Fundamentalist Muslims"; crosses all > boundaries of life, to include political, economic, religious, personal, > hygienic, attire, food, etc. There is nothing at all to compare this > concept with here in the United States of Europe. Sharia is all > encompassing. Even the concept of loving one's Nation, or patriotism is not > at all the same. There are no examples to give, but try and picture your > Minister or Priest dictating to you what to wear; what to eat; who to vote > for; how often to bathe, and the exact precepts of personal hygiene. I'm > not talking about your Priest or Minister "Suggesting" what to wear, or > eat, I am talking about your Priest or Minister MANDATING what you will > wear each and every day, and what you will eat, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, > etc., etc. Again, this is such a foreign concept, that it seems almost > laughable, but nevertheless, ALL Muslims, to include those that we consider, > "Moderate" are under the dictates of Sharia. To not follow the dictates > of Sharia, qualifies you as an infidel, and infidels.....Well, read some of > the Suras from the Holy Q'uran that I have listed below. > > As stated, there is no distinction between Sharia as it applies to politics, > religion, economics, etc. This is such a foreign concept to most of us > that have been brought up in Western culture, that it is hard to > rationalize. Where there is total conflict, is when Muslims try to apply > Sharia, which is the way that ALL Muslims MUST live, within Western > Society. This discord cannot be harmonized. > > By example, women are chattel, literally owned by their fathers until such > time as they are married, and then their husband owns them. He can own four > wives.....And a fifth wife for short durations, to satisfy those, "Human > Urges" that Allah has bequeathed to mankind. The penalty for a woman who > might have these types of "Human Urges" is immediate, painful and > unmerciful death. An excellent source for Islamic jurisprudence can be > found here on Google; enter: "*Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings, Part 4 **By > Muhammad Saed Abdul-Rahman" *which will take you to "Google Books."* *Go > to Page 73, through 75, and see the reasoning! > > I wonder how Whoopie and Joy would take to being owned? > > This same logic goes for Tom. To think that Tom can openly advocate his > Gay Agenda within Islam is laughable. I have attached a few photos for > Tom's review to this post. The pictures are not of Homosexuals who were > openly gay, but instead, were accused of covert homosexuality. By > example, Mohammad in several Haddiths says: > > *From the Hadith:* > > *There are several lesser hadiths stating, "if a man comes upon a man, then > they are both adulterers," *"If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both > Adulteresses,”; and, "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God > shakes”; and “Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it > is being done to." > > *Abu Dawud (4462)* - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be > upon him) said, *"Whoever you find doing the action of the people of > Loot,*(Lot) > * execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.".* > > *Abu Dawud (4448)* - "*If a man who is not married is seized committing > sodomy, he will be stoned to death."* (Note the implicit approval of > sodomizing one's wife). > > Of course, many think that it was just a sign of the times that Mohammad > took a nine ("9") year old bride, Aiesha. Could be, that Aiesha was way > beyond her nine years, I don't know. We do know that the same rules don't > apply in "Paradise", where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of > virgins and *"perpetual youth"* Q'uran (56:17) or otherwise known as * > "boys"* Q'uran (52:24). > > And then, Qur'an (*See* Q'uran at 76:19) bluntly states, *"And immortal boys > will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as > scattered pearls."* Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't > necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular > emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys. The > female virgins of paradise are also compared as pearls (*See* Q'uran at > 56:23). I am not implying that there is a link between homosexuality and > pedophilia here anymore than I am implying one between heterosexuality and > pedophilia.....Nevertheless, Mohammad did prefer a nine year girl as his > wife..... > > We outlaw those Christian Denominations that would engage in illicit drugs, > in order to purportedly "See God" more clearly. Of course it is illegal > for one to sacrifice the vestal virgin on the alter in the name of God, or > any religion. We have outlawed polygamy for Mormons, and other > Christian Denominations. Not so with Islam. We continue to allow for > this religion to be in total conflict, on a number of different fronts, > within our very borders, in the name of "Religious Tolerance" and political > correctness. > > Today, it is those Orthodox, or "Fundamentalist Muslims" that control Islam > in the 21st Century. For whatever reason, we don't hear the purported > "Moderate Muslims" speak out on the totally divergent tenets of Islam, as > they are practiced in Western Civilization. Do > ... > > read more » > > BosnianMuslimGay.Executed.2008.jpg > 13KViewDownload > > HomosexualsExecutedSadrCityIran.ByMachineGun.April.2009..jpg > 102KViewDownload > > irangayhangings.jpg > 20KViewDownload > > iranhang.jpg > 15KViewDownload > > IranianGaysHanged.2008.jpg > 152KViewDownload > > TehranIran.July2009..jpg > 34KViewDownload > > TwoMenSentencedIn2007With80Lashes.ForHostingAPartyWhereHomosexualsAttended..jpg > 35KViewDownload
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