sure they don't lie to them and tax them
and libertarian and republican lawyers are the groups undoing prop 8, dadt, and sodomy laws. demwits were ineffectual at all 3 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Do you think Republicans and Fundies treat them better? > > If so, why and how? > > Stop the hate, smear and lies > > On 10/28/10, dick <[email protected]> wrote: >> Maybe the gays are finally waking up to the way the Dems have been >> treating them for years, just agreeing with to harvest their votes and >> then bye bye until the next election. I don't think the gays here in >> NYC have woken up to that yet although maybe some have but it is long >> past time when this fairly well educated group does wake up to their >> treatment by their erstwhile friends. Maybe they have been treated >> this way so long that it sort of a Stockholm psychosis situation. >> >> On 10/28/2010 07:33 AM, Bruce Majors wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election >>> >>> AP >>> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/brand/SIG=11f589428/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ap.org%2Ftermsandconditions> >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> By TAMMY WEBBER, Associated Press Writer Tammy Webber, Associated >>> Press Writer – Sun Oct 24, 2:38 pm ET >>> >>> CHICAGO – Kate Coatar is seriously considering voting for Green Party >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#> >>> candidates instead of Democrats, whom she normally supports. James >>> Wyatt won't cast a ballot at all because he no longer trusts anyone to >>> fight for causes important to him. >>> >>> If Democratic candidates are counting on long-standing support from >>> gay voters to help stave off big losses on Nov. 2, they could be in >>> for a surprise. >>> >>> Across the country, activists say gay voters are angry — at the lack >>> of progress on issues from eliminating employment discrimination to >>> uncertainty over serving in the military to the economy — and some are >>> choosing to sit out this election or look for other candidates. >>> >>> President Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago, with its large, >>> politically and socially active gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender >>> community >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>, >>> offers a snapshot of what some are calling the "enthusiasm gap" >>> between voters who came out strong for Obama and other Democrats in >>> 2008 and re-energized Republican base voters, including tea party >>> enthusiasts who say they are primed to storm the polls. >>> >>> It didn't help that the controversy over the military's "don't ask, >>> don't tell" policy for gays erupted less than two weeks before the >>> election, when a judge overturned it, then Obama's justice department >>> decided to fight the judge's decision. On Thursday, the Defense >>> Department declared that "don't ask, don't tell" is official policy >>> but set up a new system that could make it tougher to get thrown out >>> of the military for being openly gay. >>> >>> "It's all talk and nothing's happening, and I'm just over it," said >>> Coatar, 62, a church business manager who said she's as concerned >>> about health care and homelessness as about gay issues. "I don't know >>> who to vote for and the election is a week away." >>> >>> Wyatt, 35, a maintenance worker at the Center on Halsted, a community >>> center serving Chicago's GLBT community, said politicians only court >>> gay voters at election time >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>. >>> >>> "Once they're elected, they're not fighting for things like civil >>> unions or same-sex marriage or ending 'don't ask, don't tell' because >>> they're hot-button issues," said Wyatt, who usually supports >>> Democrats. "We're just used as a piggyback for them to get into >>> office. It's absurd." >>> >>> Whether or not that's the case, Wyatt isn't the only one who feels >>> that way. >>> >>> And in places like Cook County, Ill., where the gay population >>> represents about 7 percent of voters, that could mean the difference >>> between victory and defeat in some races, said Rick Garcia, director >>> of public policy for Equality Illinois. One of those races is a >>> much-watched and close battle for Obama's old Senate seat between >>> Democrat Alexi Giannoulias and Republican Mark Kirk >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>. >>> >>> "If (candidates) can mobilize the gay community and get them out to >>> vote, it could make all the difference in the world in some of these >>> key races," said Garcia. >>> >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/politics/> >>> Larger version >>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10q989nvm/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bOPBL5> >>> Ask America: Learn. Listen. Be heard. >>> >>> >>> Ask America >>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10q989nvm/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bOPBL5> >>> >>> >>> Election forum >>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10qi0g596/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bLMDkC> >>> >>> >>> The Fast Fix >>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10qrrkn2n/**http%3A//yhoo.it/dhbH5a> >>> >>> >>> Map snapshot >>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10qbpgaci/**http%3A//yhoo.it/cXAAkF> >>> >>> But volunteers who've been calling the 18,000 or so members of >>> Equality Illinois to urge them to vote have been getting an earful. >>> Many members say they won't vote or will vote against incumbents, >>> regardless of their party affiliation or stance on gay issues. >>> >>> This year's election is a stark contrast to 2008, when the gay >>> community turned out in droves to elect Obama and help Democrats >>> regain control of Congress. >>> >>> "People were clamoring and very excited about the change that >>> then-candidate Obama promised America," Garcia said. "Now I see >>> lethargy at best and disgust at worst." >>> >>> He said gains won under Obama, including in fighting housing >>> discrimination, have not filtered out to many in the gay community >>> because "the big issues have not appeared to change at all." >>> >>> "But change takes time; sometimes it takes a lot of time. A lot of >>> folks just don't understand that," said Garcia. "I am older and more >>> seasoned, but most people are very disturbed with the administration >>> ... and they're the hard ones to get out to vote. >>> >>> "The message is huge: Don't take us for granted." >>> >>> Tracy Baim, publisher of Windy City Times, Chicago's oldest and >>> largest GLBT newspaper, and author of the new book "Obama and the >>> Gays," said disappointment is showing up in another way: Some are >>> refusing to donate money to candidates until they see progress, >>> although it's difficult to gauge how much that has affected fundraising. >>> >>> A message left Friday with the Democratic National Committee >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#> >>> seeking comment was not immediately returned. >>> >>> But many gay organizations are working hard to get voters to the >>> polls, fearing they could face setbacks if Republicans retake control >>> of Congress. Baim said Democrats and Obama still enjoy widespread >>> support in some parts of the gay community, particularly among >>> African-Americans and Latinos, and she believes the majority still >>> will vote. >>> >>> "People are disappointed but understand that this really is the best >>> hope for significant change over the next several years," she said. >>> "But at the same time, the anger is very real." >>> >>> Robin McGehee, co-founder and director of the national gay-rights >>> organization GetEQUAL calls the mood among gay voters a >>> "disappointment canyon" but said they have no choice but to go to the >>> polls. >>> >>> She, however, is refusing to donate to or volunteer for any candidate >>> this year. And members of her group are protesting wherever Obama >>> appears on the campaign trail >>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>. >>> >>> "We can't not take advantage of the right to vote, but that doesn't >>> mean we can't vote smartly," said McGehee, of Fresno, Calif. "If I was >>> a leader in the Democratic Party, I would be worried. >>> >>> "Either we're important enough to fight for our equality or we're >>> worth losing," she said. "Right now we're being treated like we're >>> worth losing."-- >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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