wrong wrong and false. On 10/28/10, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > sure > > they don't lie to them and tax them > > and libertarian and republican lawyers are the groups undoing prop 8, > dadt, and sodomy laws. demwits were ineffectual at all 3 > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> Do you think Republicans and Fundies treat them better? >> >> If so, why and how? >> >> Stop the hate, smear and lies >> >> On 10/28/10, dick <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Maybe the gays are finally waking up to the way the Dems have been >>> treating them for years, just agreeing with to harvest their votes and >>> then bye bye until the next election. I don't think the gays here in >>> NYC have woken up to that yet although maybe some have but it is long >>> past time when this fairly well educated group does wake up to their >>> treatment by their erstwhile friends. Maybe they have been treated >>> this way so long that it sort of a Stockholm psychosis situation. >>> >>> On 10/28/2010 07:33 AM, Bruce Majors wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election >>>> >>>> AP >>>> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/brand/SIG=11f589428/**http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ap.org%2Ftermsandconditions> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> By TAMMY WEBBER, Associated Press Writer Tammy Webber, Associated >>>> Press Writer – Sun Oct 24, 2:38 pm ET >>>> >>>> CHICAGO – Kate Coatar is seriously considering voting for Green Party >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#> >>>> candidates instead of Democrats, whom she normally supports. James >>>> Wyatt won't cast a ballot at all because he no longer trusts anyone to >>>> fight for causes important to him. >>>> >>>> If Democratic candidates are counting on long-standing support from >>>> gay voters to help stave off big losses on Nov. 2, they could be in >>>> for a surprise. >>>> >>>> Across the country, activists say gay voters are angry — at the lack >>>> of progress on issues from eliminating employment discrimination to >>>> uncertainty over serving in the military to the economy — and some are >>>> choosing to sit out this election or look for other candidates. >>>> >>>> President Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago, with its large, >>>> politically and socially active gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender >>>> community >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>, >>>> offers a snapshot of what some are calling the "enthusiasm gap" >>>> between voters who came out strong for Obama and other Democrats in >>>> 2008 and re-energized Republican base voters, including tea party >>>> enthusiasts who say they are primed to storm the polls. >>>> >>>> It didn't help that the controversy over the military's "don't ask, >>>> don't tell" policy for gays erupted less than two weeks before the >>>> election, when a judge overturned it, then Obama's justice department >>>> decided to fight the judge's decision. On Thursday, the Defense >>>> Department declared that "don't ask, don't tell" is official policy >>>> but set up a new system that could make it tougher to get thrown out >>>> of the military for being openly gay. >>>> >>>> "It's all talk and nothing's happening, and I'm just over it," said >>>> Coatar, 62, a church business manager who said she's as concerned >>>> about health care and homelessness as about gay issues. "I don't know >>>> who to vote for and the election is a week away." >>>> >>>> Wyatt, 35, a maintenance worker at the Center on Halsted, a community >>>> center serving Chicago's GLBT community, said politicians only court >>>> gay voters at election time >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>. >>>> >>>> "Once they're elected, they're not fighting for things like civil >>>> unions or same-sex marriage or ending 'don't ask, don't tell' because >>>> they're hot-button issues," said Wyatt, who usually supports >>>> Democrats. "We're just used as a piggyback for them to get into >>>> office. It's absurd." >>>> >>>> Whether or not that's the case, Wyatt isn't the only one who feels >>>> that way. >>>> >>>> And in places like Cook County, Ill., where the gay population >>>> represents about 7 percent of voters, that could mean the difference >>>> between victory and defeat in some races, said Rick Garcia, director >>>> of public policy for Equality Illinois. One of those races is a >>>> much-watched and close battle for Obama's old Senate seat between >>>> Democrat Alexi Giannoulias and Republican Mark Kirk >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>. >>>> >>>> "If (candidates) can mobilize the gay community and get them out to >>>> vote, it could make all the difference in the world in some of these >>>> key races," said Garcia. >>>> >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/politics/> >>>> Larger version >>>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10q989nvm/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bOPBL5> >>>> Ask America: Learn. Listen. Be heard. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ask America >>>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10q989nvm/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bOPBL5> >>>> >>>> >>>> Election forum >>>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10qi0g596/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bLMDkC> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Fast Fix >>>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10qrrkn2n/**http%3A//yhoo.it/dhbH5a> >>>> >>>> >>>> Map snapshot >>>> <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=10qbpgaci/**http%3A//yhoo.it/cXAAkF> >>>> >>>> But volunteers who've been calling the 18,000 or so members of >>>> Equality Illinois to urge them to vote have been getting an earful. >>>> Many members say they won't vote or will vote against incumbents, >>>> regardless of their party affiliation or stance on gay issues. >>>> >>>> This year's election is a stark contrast to 2008, when the gay >>>> community turned out in droves to elect Obama and help Democrats >>>> regain control of Congress. >>>> >>>> "People were clamoring and very excited about the change that >>>> then-candidate Obama promised America," Garcia said. "Now I see >>>> lethargy at best and disgust at worst." >>>> >>>> He said gains won under Obama, including in fighting housing >>>> discrimination, have not filtered out to many in the gay community >>>> because "the big issues have not appeared to change at all." >>>> >>>> "But change takes time; sometimes it takes a lot of time. A lot of >>>> folks just don't understand that," said Garcia. "I am older and more >>>> seasoned, but most people are very disturbed with the administration >>>> ... and they're the hard ones to get out to vote. >>>> >>>> "The message is huge: Don't take us for granted." >>>> >>>> Tracy Baim, publisher of Windy City Times, Chicago's oldest and >>>> largest GLBT newspaper, and author of the new book "Obama and the >>>> Gays," said disappointment is showing up in another way: Some are >>>> refusing to donate money to candidates until they see progress, >>>> although it's difficult to gauge how much that has affected fundraising. >>>> >>>> A message left Friday with the Democratic National Committee >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#> >>>> seeking comment was not immediately returned. >>>> >>>> But many gay organizations are working hard to get voters to the >>>> polls, fearing they could face setbacks if Republicans retake control >>>> of Congress. Baim said Democrats and Obama still enjoy widespread >>>> support in some parts of the gay community, particularly among >>>> African-Americans and Latinos, and she believes the majority still >>>> will vote. >>>> >>>> "People are disappointed but understand that this really is the best >>>> hope for significant change over the next several years," she said. >>>> "But at the same time, the anger is very real." >>>> >>>> Robin McGehee, co-founder and director of the national gay-rights >>>> organization GetEQUAL calls the mood among gay voters a >>>> "disappointment canyon" but said they have no choice but to go to the >>>> polls. >>>> >>>> She, however, is refusing to donate to or volunteer for any candidate >>>> this year. And members of her group are protesting wherever Obama >>>> appears on the campaign trail >>>> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_el_ge/us_gay_voters#>. >>>> >>>> "We can't not take advantage of the right to vote, but that doesn't >>>> mean we can't vote smartly," said McGehee, of Fresno, Calif. "If I was >>>> a leader in the Democratic Party, I would be worried. >>>> >>>> "Either we're important enough to fight for our equality or we're >>>> worth losing," she said. "Right now we're being treated like we're >>>> worth losing."-- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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