Wrong again, Keith. Waterboarding, abuse, and harsh interrogation ARE torture.
On 11/5/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > There was no torture, that has been established, proven, and determined. > Again, stop the hate, lies and smear Tommy!! > > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Since Dubya has now confessed to illegal torture, he should be >> prosecuted for that and for his war crimes, Invading Iraq based upon >> lies and greed, violating the Geneva Convention and the United Nations >> Charter. >> Prosecute Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, etc. as well. >> >> Throw them al in prison and seize their assets, applying them to the >> National Defecit they caused. >> >> On 11/5/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > I suspect we wouldn't have all of the sharia law nonsense if W was back. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2010 8:02:12 PM >> > Subject: Re: *? 2 ALL: BUSH: 'DAMN RIGHT' I APPROVED WATERBOARDING - >> > WHAT >> > ARE YOUR COMMENTS?* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Tommy News < [email protected] > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From Greg: >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Team! >> > >> > *? 2 ALL: >> > >> > BUSH: 'DAMN RIGHT' >> > >> > I APPROVED WATERBOARDING - >> > >> > >> > >> > In a memoir due out Tuesday, Bush makes clear that >> > he personally approved the use of that coercive technique >> > against alleged Sept. 11 plotter Khalid Sheik Mohammed, >> > an admission the human rights experts say could one >> > day have legal consequences for him. - WaPo >> > >> > >> > >> > WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?* >> > Greg Dempsey >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SECULARHUMANIST >> > Voice of the People >> > >> > ====== >> > >> > >> > WASHINGTON, Nov. 4, 2010 >> > Bush: "Damn Right" I Approved Waterboarding >> > In New Memoir, Ex-President Says He Personally OK'd Use of Coercive >> > Interrogation Technique that Many Experts Say Is Torture >> > a.. (Washingtonpost.com) By Washington Post Staff Writer R. Jeffrey >> Smith >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Human rights experts have long pressed the administration of former >> > president George W. Bush for details of who bore ultimate >> > responsibility for approving the simulated drownings of CIA detainees, >> > a practice that many international legal experts say was illicit >> > torture. >> > >> > In his book, titled "Decision Points," Bush recounts being asked by >> > the CIA whether it could proceed with waterboarding Mohammed, who Bush >> > said was suspected of knowing about still-pending terrorist plots >> > against the United States. Bush writes that his reply was "Damn right" >> > and states that he would make the same decision again to save lives, >> > according to a someone close to Bush who has read the book. >> > >> > Bush Felt Blindsided Over Abu Ghraib Prison Abuse >> > >> > Bush previously had acknowledged endorsing what he described as the >> > CIA's "enhanced" interrogation techniques - a term meant to encompass >> > irregular, coercive methods - after Justice Department officials and >> > other top aides assured him they were legal. "I was a big supporter of >> > waterboarding," Vice President Richard B. Cheney acknowledged in a >> > television interview in February. >> > >> > The Justice Department later repudiated some of the underlying legal >> > analysis for the CIA effort. But Bush told an interviewer a week >> > before leaving the White House that "I firmly reject the word >> > 'torture,' " and he reiterates that view in the book. Reuters and the >> > New York Times first published accounts of the book's contents Tuesday >> > evening. >> > >> > Since the 2003 waterboarding of Mohammed and similar interrogations >> > of two other CIA detainees in 2002 and 2003, the agency has forsworn >> > the technique, which involves pouring water onto someone's face while >> > strapped to a board, to convince them they will shortly drown. >> > >> > President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. have both >> > said waterboarding is an act of torture proscribed by international >> > law, a viewpoint supported by a handful of Republican lawmakers on >> > Capitol Hill and opposed by other Republicans. But the Obama >> > administration has not sought to punish former Bush administration >> > officials for approving it. >> > >> > The 26-year-old United Nations Convention Against Torture requires >> > that all parties to it seek to enforce its provisions, even for acts >> > committed elsewhere. That provision, known as universal jurisdiction, >> > has been cited in the past by prosecutors in Spain and Belgium to >> > justify investigations of acts by foreign officials. But no such >> > trials have occurred in foreign courts. >> > >> > Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights >> > Watch, said, "Waterboarding is broadly seen by legal experts around >> > the world as torture, and it is universally prosecutable as a crime. >> > The fact that none of us expect any serious consequences from this >> > admission is what is most interesting." >> > >> > M. Cherif Boussiani, an emeritus law professor at DePaul University >> > who co-chaired the U.N. experts committee that drafted the torture >> > convention, said that Bush's admission could theoretically expose him >> > to prosecution. But he also said Bush must have presumed that he would >> > have the government's backing in any confrontation with others' >> > courts. >> > >> > Georgetown University law professor David Cole, a long-standing >> > critic of Bush's interrogation and detention policies, called >> > prosecution unlikely. "The fact that he did admit it suggests he >> > believes he is politically immune from being held accountable. . . . >> > But politics can change." >> > >> > >> > >> > © 2010 The Washington Post. All rights reserved. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> > Have a great day, >> > Tommy >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> > >> > * Visit our other community at >> > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> > * It's active and moderated. 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Register and vote in our polls. >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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