Your last post to Mark proves you're an idiot.....
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Markie Mark- > > You're an idiot. > This happened before it was widely known that condoms prevented most > HIV infections. If Reagan had opened his mouth and told people that, > many lives would have been spared. Instead, he let his Fundie henchman > proclaim that AIDS was God's punishment on those thousands who became > sick and died. > > Reagan, by his silence, is responsible for all the lives that were > lost. Their blood is on his hands. > > > On 2/8/11, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > HEY TOMMY !!!!! > > > > They were too stupid to wear a CONDOM ?????? Or were they waiting for > your > > proposed and prayed for nanny-state to help them on with one ???? > > > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Keith In Köln <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> You're an idiot. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Reagan took about six years before he even mentioned the term "AIDS". > >>> His fundie beliefs backed up his homophobic friends like Jerry > >>> Falwell, etc. who went around screaming and preaching that gays > >>> deserved to die and AIDS was their punishment from God. Reagan > >>> abandoned his gay friends from Hollywood in favor of Conservative > >>> politics. > >>> > >>> During those years of silence, thousands of deaths and many thousands > >>> of infections could have been prevented if Reagan had simply spoken > >>> out, and ordered prevention, treatment, and research. Reagan was > >>> indeed directly responsible for all those deaths and infections due to > >>> his inaction and silence. > >>> > >>> Ronnie did NOTHING while thousands of people died. > >>> > >>> Nothing beats diversity, especially when it's a diversity of > >>> scary-stupid. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2/7/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > Shit Tommy, I can't get a 20 dollar hooker to screw me without a > >>> > condom yet 17,000 more gays per year are infected in the US because > of > >>> > this simple item.... > >>> > > >>> > Again..... Why should I care about an IDIOT ??? > >>> > > >>> > On Feb 7, 4:57 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> Ronald Reagan’s Real Legacy: Death, Heartache and Silence Over AIDS > >>> >> by Karen Ocamb on February 6, 2011 | 12:12 PM > >>> >> > >>> >> Reagan AIDSgate poster via ACT UP New York > >>> >> America is gushing Sunday over former President Ronald Reagan in > >>> >> recognition of what would have been his 100th birthday. Produced by > >>> >> Reagan groupies, the long-weekend celebrations at the newly primped > >>> >> Reagan Library and Museum in Simi Valley are glitzy and reverent > >>> >> evocations of an imagined man. > >>> >> > >>> >> In this white-washed version of history, Reagan, not Soviet Prime > >>> >> Minister Mikhail Gorbachev (remember “glasnost,” “perestroika,” and > >>> >> the impact of Levis, Coke and “Dynasty”?) is credited with “tearing > >>> >> down” the Berlin Wall; the trillion dollars in debt Reagan wracked > up > >>> >> during his “conservative” presidency is ignored; “supply-side” or > >>> >> “trickle-down” economics” still works, even though theory-originator > >>> >> David Stockman says it doesn’t; the Reagan-approved secret > Iran-Contra > >>> >> scandal was patriotic, not subversive; and he is still the “Great > >>> >> Communicator” – who conned working-class “Reagan Democrats” while > >>> >> catering to the rich, creating a huge surge in homelessness, > reveling > >>> >> in unchecked deregulation and extolling union-busting with the mass > >>> >> firing of the over-worked, striking PATCO flight controllers – even > >>> >> before there were trained replacements. > >>> >> > >>> >> After the depraved Vietnam War, the perennial dark and disgraced > >>> >> Richard Nixon, the short-term Gerry Ford and the confusing Jimmy > >>> >> Carter (who orchestrated the Middle East Peace talks but couldn’t > free > >>> >> the Iran hostages or prevent long gas lines) – Reagan, the > “ah-shucks” > >>> >> bad B-movie actor (Bedtime for Bonzo), huckstered his scripted > >>> >> “vision” of “Morning in America” viewed from some exceptional shiny > >>> >> city on the hill. Reagan was the imaged Mount Rushmore president, > the > >>> >> right wing conservatives’ longed-for King Arthur who would crush the > >>> >> Democratic Dream of FDR and the Kennedys and anyone who believed in > >>> >> social and economic justice promised by the “counter-culture”1960s. > >>> >> He’d already proven his anti-Communist bona fides appearing in 1947 > as > >>> >> a friendly witness before the House Un-American Activities > Committee. > >>> >> > >>> >> For LGBT people, Ronald Reagan’s presidency was the far different > >>> >> “mourning in America.” And unlike Nixon who was forced to resign for > >>> >> covering up the political Watergate scandal, Reagan didn’t even > bother > >>> >> covering up his cold disdain, his deliberate neglect, his abject > >>> >> refusal to help gay men stricken in 1981 by a strange new > communicable > >>> >> disease that turned out to be AIDS. But there was no “AIDSgate” for > >>> >> Reagan; the White House agreed with the Religious Right that gays > >>> >> deserved what they got – they deserved to die. > >>> >> > >>> >> Rev. Jerry Falwell, head of the Moral Majority, said, “AIDS is the > >>> >> wrath of God upon homosexuals.” Patrick Buchanan, Reagan’s Press > >>> >> Secretary, said AIDS was “nature’s revenge on gay men.” Antigay Gary > >>> >> Bauer, Reagan’s domestic policy advisor, kept Surgeon General C. > >>> >> Everett Koop (selected because he was an anti-abortion Christian > >>> >> fundamentalist) away from Reagan: > >>> >> > >>> >> ”[In 1986] President Reagan asked the surgeon general to prepare a > >>> >> report on AIDS as the United States confirmed its ten-thousandth > case. > >>> >> Leaders of the evangelical movement did not want Koop to write the > >>> >> report, nor did senior White House staffers who shared Koop’s > >>> >> evangelical convictions. As Dr. Koop related to me, “Gary Bauer > >>> >> [Reagan's chief advisor on domestic policy] … was my nemesis in > >>> >> Washington because he kept me from the president. He kept me from > the > >>> >> cabinet and he set up a wall of enmity between me and most of the > >>> >> people that surrounded Reagan because he believed that anybody who > had > >>> >> AIDS ought to die with it. That was God’s punishment for them.” > >>> >> > >>> >> In his extraordinary book And The Band Played On about the early > >>> >> history of the AIDS epidemic, gay journalist Randy Shilts, who later > >>> >> died of AIDS, wrote that two events dramatically changed the course > of > >>> >> AIDS in America. The first was the announcement that closeted gay > >>> >> movie star Rock Hudson had AIDS and the second was the report by > Koop. > >>> >> > >>> >> In an interview with me for the 25 anniversary of the June 5, 1981 > CDC > >>> >> report of six gay men with what turned out > >>> >> > >>> >> Rock Hudson - publicity photo > >>> >> to be AIDS, Hudson’s publicist Dale Olson said Reagan called his > >>> >> longtime friend in July 1985 when Hudson was in a Paris hospital > >>> >> desperately looking for a cure for AIDS. Nonetheless, the “Great > >>> >> Communicator” remained silent. It’s not as if Reagan was unaware of > >>> >> AIDS by then: on April 23, 1984, the CDC had reported 4,177 case and > >>> >> 1,807 deaths – something that came to the attention of the National > >>> >> Democratic Convention when a candlelight vigil of more than 100,000 > >>> >> people marched from the Castro to Moscone Center. > >>> >> > >>> >> California Rep. Henry Waxman, who held the first congressional > hearing > >>> >> on the disease at the Gay and Lesbian Community Services Center in > Los > >>> >> Angeles in 1983, wrote Washington Post in late 1985: > >>> >> > >>> >> “It is surprising that the president could remain silent as 6,000 > >>> >> Americans died, that he could fail to acknowledge the epidemic’s > >>> >> existence. Perhaps his staff felt he had to, since many of his New > >>> >> Right supporters have raised money by campaigning against > >>> >> homosexuals.” > >>> >> > >>> >> Reagan finally mentioned the word “AIDS” in October 1986 and was > >>> >> virtually forced to deliver his first major speech on AIDS on May > 31, > >>> >> 1987 on the eve of the Third International Conference on AIDS in > >>> >> Washington. He was the invited by Elizabeth Taylor to speak at a > >>> >> fundraiser for the American Foundation for AIDS Research, which > Hudson > >>> >> helped start with a $250,000 grant given to Taylor. (Here’s a link > to > >>> >> Reagan’s entire speech.) Outside the tented-event were protesters > and > >>> >> yet another candlelight vigil. > >>> >> > >>> >> Shilts wrote about Reagan’s 20-minute speech: > >>> >> > >>> >> “Reagan’s program, of course, would do very little to actually stop > >>> >> the spread of AIDS. Though testing heterosexuals at marriage license > >>> >> bureaus created the illusion of action, very few of thse people were > >>> >> infected with the virus and very few lives would be saved. But then > >>> >> saving lives had never been a priority of the Reagan administration. > >>> >> Reagan’s speech was not meant to serve the public health; it was a > >>> >> political solution to a political problem. The words created a > stance > >>> >> that was politically comfortable for the president and his > adherents; > >>> >> it was also a stance that killed people. Already, some said that > >>> >> Ronald Reagan would be remembered in history books for one thing > >>> >> beyond all else: He was the man who had let AIDS rage through > America, > >>> >> the leader of the government that when challenged to action had > placed > >>> >> politics above the health of the American people.” > >>> >> > >>> >> And not once did Ronald Reagan utter the word “gay.” > >>> >> > >>> >> Shilts: > >>> >> > >>> >> “By the time President Reagan had delivered his first speech on the > >>> >> epidemic, of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, 36,058 Americans > had > >>> >> been diagnosed with the disease; 20, 849 had died.” > >>> >> > >>> >> Photo from WebMD's history of AIDS > >>> >> -www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/slideshow-aids-retrospective > >>> >> > >>> >> On the USAID website, the statistics read: > >>> >> > >>> >> “In 2009, 33.3 million people around the world were living with > >>> >> HIV/AIDS. More than 60 million people have been infected with HIV > >>> >> since the pandemic began. AIDS is the leading cause of death in > >>> >> Sub-Saharan Africa, and the fourth leading cause of death > >>> >> globally…..Almost 5,000 people die every day due to AIDS. AIDS > caused > >>> >> 1.8 million deaths in 2009. An estimated 25 million people have died > >>> >> from HIV-related causes since the beginning of the pandemic….There > >>> >> were 2.6 million new HIV infections in 2009, or almost 7,200 people > >>> >> per day.” > >>> >> > >>> >> The terrible irony for LGBT people is that in the very beginning of > >>> >> the epidemic there was hope that Ronald Reagan would DO something. > >>> >> There was precedent for the government acting quickly to stem a > public > >>> >> health crisis. In 1976, just five years earlier, the government > rushed > >>> >> to stop an outbreak of Legionnaires disease at an American Legion > >>> >> convention in Philadelphia. > >>> >> > >>> >> (Corrected) And perhaps even more importantly, in 1978, as former > >>> >> governor of California, Reagan publicly opposed the Briggs > Initiative > >>> >> – the antigay measure proposed by associates of Rev. Jerry Falwell > and > >>> >> Anita Bryant. Opposition by the hugely popular governor helped > >>> >> significantly in the measure’s defeat. As a result, Reagan received > >>> >> gay support in his presidential bid against Jimmy Carter in 1980, as > >>> >> well as the more effective Religious Right. > >>> >> > >>> >> But once in office, Reagan turned his back on the gay friends and > >>> >> staff he and his wife Nancy had known for years. > >>> >> > >>> >> Most historians and political pundits will look at the ripple effect > >>> >> Reagan’s two terms in office – from 1981-1989 – continues to have on > >>> >> American politics. But for many LGBTs, myself included, I cannot > hear > >>> >> the man’s name without thinking of so many other names now > effectively > >>> >> wiped from the collective memory – names like Michael Callen and > Paul > >>> >> Monette and Connie Norman and Wayne Karr. So many names – and with > >>> >> each name, memories of joy and rage and a kind of spirituality in > >>> >> confronting death with dignity – in spite of the government’s > >>> >> disgusting deliberate neglect. > >>> >> > >>> >> Names Project AIDS Quilt - via WebMD > >>> >> -www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/slideshow-aids-retrospective > >>> >> > >>> >> Former President Ronald Reagan died on June 5, 2004 – 23 years to > the > >>> >> day when the CDC’s first report on AIDS appeared. Reagan had > >>> >> apparently been living in seclusion with Alzheimer’s Disease — the > >>> >> progressive disease that causes loss of memory and mental abilities. > >>> >> People gushed for a week remembering the “Great Communicator” who > was > >>> >> entombed at his grand presidential library and museum like a > political > >>> >> Elvis: Simi Valley as the political Graceland. There his groupies > >>> >> gather again, while those of us who remember his legacy of horror, > >>> >> neglect and death still struggle with an un-ending heartbreak of > what > >>> >> might have been had our government cared and our friends not ... > >>> >> > >>> >> read more » > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>> > > >>> > * Visit our other community at > >>> > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/>< > http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >>> > * It's active and moderated. 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