Tom, Iowa is a good example. Once the good people of Iowa vote on the redefining of marriage in their state, they will, as every other State has done, repeall the law. They have already voted the judges out of office who chose to legislate from the bench, and redefine marriage. It is only a matter of time before the people of New York, Vermont and Massachusetts speak out also. Even the most liberal state in the Union, California, flat out rejected the proposition of redefinition of marriage.
Get real, You know it, your anti-American secularist agenda friends know it, and the members of Political Forum know it. Your days of calling for redefinition of marriage, and a secularist agenda are over. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > "First, there is but one kind of marriage in this Nation, and that is > between a man and a woman. You are attempting to change that > definition, and there can be no argument that this is what you are > attempting to do." > > False. There are other kinds of Marriage. Look at the five states and D. C. > > "Second, the beast of burden that wrote this article, (obviously the > husband) has her facts wrong. As proof, here is California's > domestice partership law: > > > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=00001-01000&file=297-297.5 > " > > False. Domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts with lesser > rights. > > > "So Tom, get off of your hate filled name calling, secularist agenda! > Stop trying to change the definition of marriage, and if you really > care about homosexual rights, then start getting out and promoting the > cause of domestic partnerships in your state!" > > False. I am not filled with hate, and Civil Rights Equality is not > secular, it is catholic, or universal, with a small "C". Domestic > partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts. New York already reconizes > civil marriages performed in other states Governor Paterson saw to > that. The problem here remains the Homophobic GOP and a couple of > "Blue Dog" Democrats in the New York State Senate who still obstruct > Marriage Equality legislation. > > Get Informed, Keith, and perhaps then you will see the truth. > > > On 2/15/11, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tom, > > > > As usual, you don't address any of my substantive arguments or the issues > > that I raised. > > > > First, there is but one kind of marriage in this Nation, and that is > > between a man and a woman. You are attempting to change that definition, > > and there can be no argument that this is what you are attempting to do. > > > > Second, the beast of burden that wrote this article, (obviously the > > husband) has her facts wrong. As proof, here is California's domestice > > partership law: > > > > > > > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=00001-01000&file=297-297.5 > > > > Which states in part: > > > > *297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights, > > protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same > > responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they > > derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules, > > government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources > > of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.* > > > > > > So Tom, get off of your hate filled name calling, secularist agenda! > Stop > > trying to change the definition of marriage, and if you really care about > > homosexual rights, then start getting out and promoting the cause of > > domestic partnerships in your state! > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Keith- > >> > >> Your blatent homophobia and animus are showing again. > >> > >> Civil Marriage is distinct and separate from Religious Marriage. > >> As long as the government makes laws about civil marriage, all people > >> must be included in those laws equally regardless of gender. Anything > >> less is discriminatory and unconstitutional. > >> > >> Churches are then free to bless those civil marriages or not as they > >> choose. There are many Progressive churches that will. > >> > >> > >> On 2/15/11, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Kathy missed a few states, California for one, has a civil > >> union/domestic > >> > partnership law. > >> > > >> > Just as important, the federal government does not acknowledge any > >> marriage > >> > other than what the definition of marrige defines, one man, one woman. > >> > > >> > So, in essence, Kathy and Tommy are both either Moonbats, who haven't > a > >> > clue, or they are secularists who wish to push their secularist agenda > >> down > >> > our proverbial throats. > >> > > >> > Which one is it Tom? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> 10 rights for Domestic Partnership, 1300 for Marriage. God bless > >> America? > >> >> Why? > >> >> > >> >> The Difference Between Marriage and Civil Unions > >> >> What's the Difference between Civil Unions and and Gay Marriage? > >> >> By Kathy Belge, > >> >> > >> >> You hear the politicians saying it all the time. “I support Civil > >> >> Unions, but not gay marriage.” What exactly does this mean? Some even > >> >> say they support equal rights for gays and lesbians, but not gay > >> >> marriage. Is this possible? And why do gays and lesbians want > marriage > >> >> so badly when they can have civil unions? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> First of all, What is Marriage? When people marry, they tend to do so > >> >> for reasons of love and commitment. But marriage is also a legal > >> >> status, which comes with rights and responsibilities. Marriage > >> >> establishes a legal kinship between you and your spouse. It is a > >> >> relationship that is recognized across cultures, countries and > >> >> religions. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> What is a Civil Union? Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships exist > in > >> >> only a handful of places like New Jersey and Washington and Oregon. > >> >> > >> >> Vermont was the first state to create civil unions in 2000 to provide > >> >> legal protections to gays and lesbians in relationships in that state > >> >> because gay marriage was not an option. The protections did not > extend > >> >> beyond the border of Vermont and no federal protections are included > >> >> with a Civil Union. Civil Unions offer some of the same rights and > >> >> responsibilities as marriage, but only on a state level. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> What about Domestic partnership? Some states and municipalities have > >> >> domestic partnership registries, but no domestic partnership law is > >> >> the same. Some, like Oregon's domestic partnership law comes with > many > >> >> rights and responsibilities. Others offer very few benefits to the > >> >> couple. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> What are some of the differences between Civil Unions and Gay > Marriage? > >> >> Recognition in other states: Even though each state has its own laws > >> >> around marriage, if someone is married in one state and moves to > >> >> another, their marriage is legally recognized. For example, Oregon > >> >> marriage law applies to people 17 and over. In Washington state, the > >> >> couple must be 18 to wed. However, Washington will recognize the > >> >> marriage of two 17 year olds from Oregon who move there. This is not > >> >> the case with Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships. If someone has > a > >> >> Domestic Partnership, that union is not recognized by some states and > >> >> not others. Some states have even ruled that they do not have to > >> >> recognize civil unions performed in other states, because their > states > >> >> have no such legal category. As gay marriages become legal in other > >> >> states, this status may change. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Immigration: > >> >> > >> >> A United States citizen who is married can sponsor his or her > >> >> non-American spouse for immigration into this country. Those with > >> >> Civil Unions have no such privilege. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Taxes: > >> >> > >> >> Civil Unions are not recognized by the federal government, so couples > >> >> would not be able to file joint-tax returns or be eligible for tax > >> >> breaks or protections the government affords to married couples. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Benefits: > >> >> > >> >> The General Accounting Office in 1997 released a list of 1,049 > >> >> benefits and protections available to heterosexual married couples. > >> >> These benefits range from federal benefits, such as survivor benefits > >> >> through Social Security, sick leave to care for ailing partner, tax > >> >> breaks, veterans benefits and insurance breaks. They also include > >> >> things like family discounts, obtaining family insurance through your > >> >> employer, visiting your spouse in the hospital and making medical > >> >> decisions if your partner is unable to. Civil Unions protect some of > >> >> these rights, but not all of them. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> But can’t a lawyer set all this up for gay and lesbian couples? > >> >> > >> >> No. A lawyer can set up some things like durable power of attorney, > >> >> wills and medical power of attorney. There are several problems with > >> >> this, however. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 1. It costs thousands of dollars in legal fees. A simple marriage > >> >> license, which usually costs under $100 would cover all the same > >> >> rights and benefits. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2. Any of these can be challenged in court. As a matter of fact, more > >> >> wills are challenged than not. In the case of wills, legal spouses > >> >> always have more legal power than any other family member. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 3. Marriage laws are universal. If someone’s husband or wife is > >> >> injured in an accident, all you need to do is show up and say you’re > >> >> his or her spouse. You will not be questioned. If you show up at the > >> >> hospital with your legal paperwork, the employees may not know what > to > >> >> do with you. If you simply say, "He's my husband," you will > >> >> immediately be taken to your spouse's side. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Even with lesbian and gay marriages being performed and recognized in > >> >> some states, the Federal Defense of Marriage Law prohibits the > federal > >> >> government from recognizing gay and lesbian relationships. This puts > >> >> gay and lesbian couples who are married in a legal limbo. How do they > >> >> file their tax returns? Do they have to pay the tax on their > partner’s > >> >> health insurance? How do they fill out legal and other forms, single > >> >> or married? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Creating Civil Unions creates a separate and unequal status for some > >> >> of America’s citizens. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial court ruled > >> >> that creating a separate class for gay and lesbian citizens is not > >> >> permissible and that is why they have voted that only marriage equals > >> >> marriage. The precedent was set with Brown v. The Board of Education > >> >> regarding segregation in public education. Ironically, Massachusetts > >> >> marriage law went into effect on the 50th anniversary of Brown v. > >> >> Board of Education. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The United States Constitution guarantees equality for all. As you > can > >> >> see, marriage and civil unions are not the same. Creating equal > access > >> >> to marriage is the only fair way to ensure equality for gay and > >> >> straight couples alike. > >> >> > >> >> More: > >> >> http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage_2.htm > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> >> Have a great day, > >> >> Tommy > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> >> > >> >> * Visit our other community at > >> >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/> < > http://www.politicalforum.com/>< > >> http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> >> * It's active and moderated. 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