No, MJ! Every day, the US Supreme Court is finding interpretations that will allow this, but not "that". Does the federal government's authority to regulate interstate commerce rule, or does the powers granted to the states clause rule? That, supposedly, will determine the constitutionality of Obama Care. As I've explained: The Senate was included ONLY because of the small states' extortion (blackmail). A Representative Republic is PURE; an oligarchy, such as the US Senate, is unfair, undemocratic and thus UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Like our Manchurian Candidate... "President" (gag!), Obama’s being in the White House makes him no less a TREASONOUS bastard! If you want 100 senile, career politicians to run things, then why not propose a constitution without a House of Representatives? For running a government, I'll take the fair and democracy-like House, over our drag-on-government US Senate every time! Harry Reid should be out of a job! — J. A. Armistead — Patriot > On Jun 2, 9:25 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps we have highlighted (again) yet another of your difficulties. When > you ignore common definitions of words, it is difficult to convey your > message in any meaningful way. > Constitutional, as noted previously is of or by the Constitution. The Senate > is constitutional -- by definition. > Regard$, > --MJ > "[Democracy] is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less > often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, > graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals > whose virtuous principles make them offensive" -- Westbrook Pegler, popular > columnist of the 1930s and '40s.At 08:38 PM 5/26/2011, you wrote:MJ: What > "definition" is that? That an anti-democracy and anti- > Republic oligarchy has more power than the former two? The US senate > is THE most corrupt band of career politicians on planet Earth! We > could do better by just giving the vote to the first 100 people to > cross Main Street! — J. A. Armistead — Patriot > > > On May 26, 1:32 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > Again, Constitutional is of or by the Constitution. > > The Senate is constitutional -- by definition. > > Until the removal of the check with Amendment 17 (not properly ratified per > > Article V), the Senate was the 'representative' of the States -- those > > entities forming the United States (plural). > > Contrary to your insistence, the Constitution does not create this idea of > > mob rule to which you are so enamored and believe will *magically* correct > > ills. > > Regard$, > > --MJ > > Democracy: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass > > meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. > > Attitude toward property is communistic ... Attitude toward law is that the > > will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based on deliberation or > > governed by passion, prejudice, or impulse, without restraint or regard to > > the consequences. Result is demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, > > anarchy. > > -- U.S. Army training manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932)Dear MJ: The Founding > > Fathers were BLACKMAILED into including a > > senate, because small states feared being exploited by larger states. > > The senate is an oligarchy that slaps-in-the-face our Representative > > Republic. Since principles of FAIRNESS are so evident throughout the > > main body of the Constitution, then, the VICTOR in disputes has to be > > the side favoring fair play and democracy! The mere fact that the > > senate was included in the Constitution doesn't make that > > constitutional! Just because 'laws' are passed doesn't make those > > constitutional, either. The US Senate has been a drag of fair play > > and democracy from day one! For the record, the US Supreme Court, > > wherein one justice has a power greater than Congress, or the People, > > is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! Learn, if you can, MJ. So far you seem > > committed to a lifetime of taking-over your flunked courses in how to > > think. — J. A. A. — > > > > > On May 25, 9:43 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The US Senate, which was originally selected by the legislatures of > > > the several states, was an ill conceived OLIGARCHY. Since there has > > > never been a parity of the population served by each senator, that > > > means the USA has two conflicting political systems, and the oligarchy > > > is the one which isn't FAIR. Giving undue power to smaller population > > > states slaps REPUBLIC ideas in the face. So, the US Senate is and > > > always has been, unconstitutional.The Senate -- by definition -- cannot > > > be unconstitutional. > > > What you (continue) fail to grasp is that the Constitution is/was an > > > agreement between Sovereign States. The Senate is THEIR representative > > > body. Amendment 17 curtailed yet another check on Federal power. > > > Regard$, > > > --MJ > > > The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal > > > government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State > > > governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised > > > principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign > > > commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, > > > be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to > > > all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the > > > lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, > > > improvement, and prosperity of the State. -- James Madison, Federalist > > > Papers > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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