Mark was it that or so that we could call up a militia? Do you know which of the Federalist papers dicuss this issue? It seems some 20+yrs ago in poli-sci we discussed this in context of a Federalist paper. But old age stress and a lot crap has diluted my memory.
Thanks S On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:50 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]>wrote: > Remember.... the Second amendment is in place not so we can repel > invaders whether home or national border... it is there so we can > protect ourselves from our own government. > > On Jul 3, 8:33 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > > <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/> > There > > is No First Amendment Without a Second > > Amendment.< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/there-is-no-first-a...> > > *Steve <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/>* > | > > July 3, 2011 at 4:27 am | Tags: Alan > > Caruba<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=alan-caruba>, > > Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and > > Explosives< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco...>, > > Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear > > Arms< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=citizens-committee-for-th...>, > > Michael Bloomberg< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=michael-bloomberg>, > > Obama administration< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=obama-administration>, > > Second Amendment > > Foundation< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=second-amendment-foundation>, > > Second Amendment to the United States > > Constitution< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=second-amendment-to-the-u...>, > > United States <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=united-states> > | > > Categories: Constitution < > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=29050>, > > crime <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=34945349>, Idiot Law > > Makers <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=57323845>, Second > > Amendment <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=102988>, Tea > > Party<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=34918731>| URL: > http://wp.me/pKuKY-7VU > > > > <http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gunflash.gif> > > > > Like AMEX, Don 't Leave Home Without It. > > > > *A very timely reminder of just how and where we came from. And the > > Consequences of ever giving up your second amendment right. Happy 4th Of > > July, It's up to us to have many more. ~Steve~* > > > > *Reposted From Tea Party Nation.* > > > > http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPos... > > > > Posted by Alan Caruba< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/profile/AlanCaruba>on > > July 2, 2011 at 5:00pm > > > > Send Message <http://l/> View Alan Caruba's > > blog<http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/list?user=wo5vy0y6lr5s> > > > > By Alan Caruba > > > > When we celebrate the Fourth of July< > http://www.history.com/topics/july-4th>, > > let’s keep in mind that the first > > Americans<http://www.history.com/topics/states>won their independence > > from England with the force of arms. It was, in fact, > > a British effort in 1775 to confiscate military arms they believed were > > stored in Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts that sparked the war. > > > > The Founding Fathers were so aware of the need for an armed citizenry > that, > > after ensuring freedom of religion, speech, press and the right to > > peacefully assemble in the First Amendment, the Second guaranteed their > > right to bear arms. > > > > Wherever authoritarian regimes were established in the last century, they > > took away this right and then proceeded to kill those deemed enemies of > the > > state. > > > > At this point in American history, the Obama > > administration<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/obama-administration > >constitutes > > a threat to the Constitution in general and the Second > > Amendment< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co.. > .>in > > particular. > > *More than 80,000,000 Americans are gun owners.* > > > > Two of the organizations that have been fighting to protect these rights > are > > the Second Amendment > > Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation > >(SAF) > > and the Citizens > > Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear > > Arms< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Committee_for_the_Right_to_Keep.. > .>(CCRKBA), > > both led by Alan M. Gottlieb. Three quarters of the SAF budget is > > devoted to defending rights pertaining to the ownership of guns and to > carry > > them for self-defense. > > > > In March, the Huffington Post had an article titled "Obama Looking for > Ways > > Around Congress on Gun > > Policy"< > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_83.. > .>by > > Sam Stein. "Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions > > of > > Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential > > changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive > action, > > administration officials, say." > > > > *Since then we have learned of a U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and > > Firearms<http://www.atf.gov/>program, Fast and Furious, that actually > > facilitated the sale and transfer > > of guns to Mexico. How demented is that?* > > > > In May in my home state of New Jersey the SAF won a decision against > > officials for the deprivation of civil rights under the color of law when > > they had ruled that an applicant for a concealed carry permit had not > > demonstrated a "justifiable need" for it. In point of fact, the > applicant, > > Philip Muller, had been kidnapped by members of a motorcycle gang who > > threatened to kill him. They had, however, grabbed the wrong man. > > > > Despite support by local and state police, action on his application was > > delayed for six months. Morris County Superior Court Judge David Ironson > > issued a directive that a permit should be granted. The case is still > > on-going with other plaintiffs that include a part-time sheriff’s deputy, > an > > applicant who carries large amounts of cash in his private business, and > a > > civilian employee of the FBI with legitimate concerns of an attack from a > > radical Islamic group. > > > > Currently nearly thirty such cases have either been brought or joined by > SAF > > to stop abuses of this most fundamental right of American citizens > ranging > > from bans on interstate handgun sales, New York Mayor Michael > > Bloomberg<http://www.biography.com/articles/Michael-Bloomberg-16466704 > >’s > > imposition of a $340 fee for a permit to keep a handgun in one’s home, > and a > > Chicago ban on gun ranges open to the public. These cases cost between > > $60,000 and $80,000 each! > > > > *The greatest single threat to gun ownership right now is a United > Nations > > "Small Arms Treaty" falsely identified as an "international arms control > > treaty" allegedly to fight terrorism."* > > > > "In reality," says Gottlieb, it is "a massive, global gun control scheme. > > It’s a sham. It’s a fraud." If the U.S., under the Obama administration > and > > with the consent of the Senate, were to sign on to this treaty, it would > > nullify the Second Amendment. > > > > Suffice to say that the Obama administration wants to have the power to > > increase federal fees on guns and ammunition, to ban guns that are > imported, > > to extend the waiting periods for permits, to ban the use of guns on all > > government property, and even to make it illegal if you own a gun and > smoke! > > > > Americans do not have to "justify" gun ownership. It is guaranteed by the > > Second Amendment. The reality is that enemies of this fundamental rights > > continue to wage an assault on it. > > > > For information about SAF visithttp://www.saf.org/and CCRKBA athttp:// > www.ccrkba.org/. > > > > © Alan Caruba, 2011 > > > > Add a comment to this > > post< > http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/there-is-no-first-a...> > > > > [image: WordPress] > > > > WordPress.com <http://wordpress.com/> | Thanks for flying with > WordPress! > > Manage Subscriptions< > http://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=5d39acfd19218362d540a3fc3dc3315d&;...>| > > Unsubscribe< > http://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=5d39acfd19218362d540a3fc3dc3315d&;...>| > > Express > > yourself. Start a blog. <http://wordpress.com/signup/?ref=email> > > > > *Trouble clicking? 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