Plaino, The ONLY document produced by ANY US, state or local entity that proves Citizenship is a PASSPORT.
Only approximately 1/3 of US citizens have one. Your statement " hogwash, real Americans don't mind providing proof of identity" Is what is hogwash..... most Americans can not prove their citizenship. On Aug 12, 7:57 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > When innocent American citizens are told they should have their papers > on them, we live in a police state > --- > hogwash > real Americans don't mind providing proof of identity > > those who fear our government are something other than American > > On Aug 12, 6:03 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Judge Halts Search for Cartoonist Who Embarrassed CopsIn April, Renton > > Police Chief Kevin Milosevich learned of eight videos on YouTube featuring > > computer-voiced cartoon characters rambling about office politics and > > internal cop investigations, according to an affidavit for one of the > > warrants. There s also some chatter about an officer dating a suspect. > > The videos mentioned no city, department or full names. But police built a > > cyberstalking case against the videomaker . . . (Seattle > > Post-Intelligencer)It s barely even necessary for the State to have a > > pretext for harrassing you.The CallingYes, It Is a Police StateA line has > > been crossed.Steven Horwitz > > Posted June 16, 2011 > > As regular readers know, I m not one for hyperbole, so perhaps some are > > thinking that my title is ironic. Nope, I mean it. An accumulation of > > events in recent months leads me to no other conclusion than that we are in > > fact living in a police state in the good old US of A. > > The list of reasons is fairly long, but we can certainly start with our > > favorite gropers at the TSA. In my ideal world, airline safety would be the > > responsibility of those with the most directly to lose financially from > > doing it poorly: the airlines and the airports. But even in a world where > > government has taken on that responsibility, we should be protected by the > > Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches. It s one thing to walk > > through the standard metal detector, which seems reasonable, but when we > > are expected to pose virtually nude in a submissive position for government > > agents, and when refusing to do so earns you a feel-up that would count as > > sexual battery in most states, that is something else entirely. > > If I had told you 20 years ago that in 2011 this is what would happen every > > day to thousands of travelers -- including toddlers and the handicapped -- > > at U.S. airports, you would not have believed me. And on top of everything > > else,it doesn t work! It s mere security theatre. When residents of the > > United States have a legitimate fear of being sexually abused by agents of > > the State when engaging in peaceful air travel, we live in a police > > state.SWAT TeamsAdd to this 1) the militarization of the police, with > > no-knock raids by full SWAT teams being the norm for everything from minor > > possession of marijuana tosuspected student-loan fraud, and 2) the Supreme > > Court s complicity in eviscerating the Fourth Amendment -- and two more > > pieces of the police state are in place. These raids often feature what > > writer Radley Balko calls puppycides. The cops shoot and kill any dogs in > > the house routinely, regardless of their behavior. Of course the cops often > > raid the wrong house, terrifying innocent people in the middle of the night > > and killingtheirdogs too. When residents of the United States have serious > > reason to fear the door being busted down in the middle of the night by > > armed agents of the State despite having done nothing wrong, we live in a > > police state. > > Then there s my experience this past week as I drove home from the airport > > in Syracuse, New York. The Border Patrol and the State Police had set up a > > roadblock on the county line about 30 miles from my house and at least 20 > > miles as the crow flies from the border with Canada. This is not uncommon, > > but this time two things were different. First, both groups of officers > > were fully armed. Second, they were asking questions. Normally they just > > peer into your car and let you go. This time, I was asked, Where are you > > coming from? ; Were you out of the state? ; and Do you have luggage in your > > trunk? They did not search the car, nor did they ask for ID (the latter > > probably because I m white), but it does not matter. When American citizens > > are stopped while traveling within their own state and asked to account for > > their whereabouts, we live in a police state.Do You Have Your > > Papers?Finally, a professional colleague of mine was recently on a train to > > Chicago with his teenage son. They are of Mexican descent, but both are > > American citizens. Border Patrol agents boarded the train and conducted a > > similar inquisition. My colleague and his son were hassled quite a bit and > > told that they probably should keep proof of citizenship with them when > > they travel within the United States. When innocent American citizens are > > told they should have their papers on them, we live in a police state. > > My experience last weekend reflects the essence of the problem. Why were > > the cops and the Border Patrol there? They were looking for illegal > > immigrants, drugs, and potential terrorists. It s the perfect storm of > > statism that has brought us to this point. The combination of xenophobia, > > irrational fear of drugs, and the terror the State has whipped up about > > terrorists around every corner is the fuel on which this police state > > feeds. But a police state cannot emerge without many fellow citizens being > > willing to trade off their actual liberties for the false promise of > > security. > > Since 9/11 the biggest threat to the American people is not radical Muslim > > terrorists, nor deranged domestic terrorists, but the terrorists with the > > blue uniforms, badges, and body armor. Their weapons of mass destruction > > are not bombs, but state-approved guns, latex-gloved hands, and a profound > > disregard for our rights. Until we stand up and say, Enough!theseterrorists > > will keep winning and our rights will continue to be > > lost.http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/yes-this-is-a-police-state/ -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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